Heh - believe it or not I'm actually interested in the merits of other IDEs. At some stage I may find myself out of the commercial world, in which case I would be more interested in the free alternatives.. not just trying to push my own favourite on everyone else. Presumably everyone else here has a reason for their choice ;-).
Fritz On 11/1/07, Dudley Butt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to say this debate is rather entertaining but we all use the IDE we > feel comfortable with. I 'grew up' with IJ, but had to make the switch to > Eclipse as the project and company I worked for dictated that choice. Now I > am back with another company, and they use IJ again. Personally I can work > with either but you have to focus on one, or else you wont become > sufficiently proficient in your IDE and get your project finished :) > Perhaps an analogy. Audi say their cars are better than BMW, BMW say their > cars are better than Audi. If either, were in fact correct and could somehow > enforce it, we would ALL then be driving, either a BMW or an Audi. But, due > to our personalities and likes and dislikes we are all our own person, hence > some like BMW and some like Audi. Yet the debate will rage on forever, the > one trying to prove better than the other. :) There we go, now that I have > done my 'philoshopizing' for the day, let me get back to my Eclipse! :) > > > On 11/1/07, Enrico Goosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm not sure I understand your question regarding suitability for team > > work...we use clearcase for source control, so files can be checked out > > and worked on, then checked back in (from within Eclipse). > > > > Apparently the JSF code generated by the Eclipse IDE's wysiwyg editor is > > much cleaner than that of the Netbeans IDE. > > > > JSF component libraries that are added to Eclipse become available in > > the drag and drop component palette. They may not render correctly at > > design time, but at least you can make use of them and place them during > > your page design. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Fritz Meissner > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:33 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: IntelliJ/Ant Question [Was: Maven - Netbeans] > > > > > > Hmm.... do those drag n drop features work well enough for commercial > > use? I understand the the Websphere IDE does similar stuff for JSF, > > but it isn't great for use in teams... how do those NB/Eclipse do in > > team environments? > > > > On 11/1/07, Enrico Goosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Fritz, > > > > > > I agree that IntelliJ is an awesome IDE, but yes, I think the price > > tag > > > is the major inhibitor. (@ $249 for a personal license, and $499 for a > > > commercial license) > > > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/index.html > > > > > > As far as I'm aware, IntelliJ doesn't provide drag-and-drop wysiwyg > > > editors for Swing/JSF screen design. > > > > > > If you're going to spend money on an IDE, then it should at least > > > provide the main/standard features of Eclipse/Netbeans...and more. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected] ] > > > On Behalf Of Fritz Meissner > > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:48 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: IntelliJ/Ant Question [Was: Maven - > > Netbeans] > > > > > > > > > I'd like to revisit this topic. I used Eclipse and Netbeans through > > > varsity, and I thought they were awesome... especially Netbeans, where > > > I used the Java EE features a lot. > > > > > > When I moved from varsity to the professional world, I made the move > > > to IDEA, because that's what everyone else here uses. The couple of > > > times I've messed around in Netbeans since then have not been fun > > > experiences. Sure, Matisse is cool, and Netbeans does do a little bit > > > more out of the box, but using plugins with IntelliJ doesn't seem as > > > fraught with peril as Eclipse plugins. > > > > > > The real killer feature for me, however, is the editor. Syntax > > > completion, refactoring, useful searches etc in NB/Eclipse have > > > nothing on IDEA. So many little niggles appeared that I would never > > > have noticed if I hadn't gotten used to IDEA, eg the delay for code to > > > compile every time you make a change in NB - you get no syntax > > > highlighting until the code has compiled again. I don't understand how > > > Sun can pour so much effort into Matisse but not work on that editor > > > :(. Surely the number of people doing Swing and using Matisse pales > > > into comparison with the number of people using the editor? > > > > > > Anyway, enough criticism. Here's the question: what are the "killer" > > > features of the other IDEs that makes everyone choose them over IDEA? > > > Or is it just the price tag keeping you away? (I don't actually know > > > the price myself, it could be horrendous for all I know - such tools > > > are paid for by the employers in my case ;-) > > > > > > And another question: for people who have used IDEA, are there other > > > IDEs that I haven't played with that do editing as well as IDEA? > > > Perhaps YAEP (Yet Another Eclipse Plugin) that I haven't tried? > > > > > > Fritz > > > > > > On 10/26/07, Brian Silberbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > <znip> > > > > > I'm still pretty happy with NB. (Quite something for a hardcore > > > > > "vi+make" old fart! ;-) I couldn't see anything on the IntelliJ > > > site > > > > > that looked like "compelling enough" to consider a switch > > > (considering > > > > > the cognitive overhead of switching a tool as sophisticated as any > > > > > modern IDE.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > <rushed comment> > > > > I don't agree; I've been flipping between netbeans and eclipse for > > the > > > > last 2 years for a number of reason (clients choice, IDE strength > > > > etc..) and haven't found too much hassle in switching betwean IDE's, > > > > even mid-project. > > > > > > > > <rushed comment>Once you go down certain routes you can get 'tied' > > to > > > > a particular IDE (e.g. using matisse for swing), but generally they > > do > > > > the basics the same and learning new key strokes comes quickly. > > > > > > > > When I have the choice I use eclipse for basic 'code' projects - the > > > > DAO backend etc.. and Netbeans for integrated applications > > > > (servlets/JSP, swing, mobile) because eclipse still outclasses > > > > netbeans on ease and speed of coding and netbeans outclasses eclipse > > > > on the integrating out the box just works kind of thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > mike morris :: mikro2nd (at) gmail (dot) com > > > > > > > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/ > > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/blog/planb/ > > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/blog/mike/ > > > > > > > > > > -- A day without chillies is a day wasted -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Brian Silberbauer > > > > Consultant > > > > > > > > +27 (0)83 566 2705 > > > > skype: brian.silberbauer > > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/briansilberbauer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "NOTE: This message (including attachments) is subject to all the > > restrictions, qualifications and disclaimers of the Metropolitan group > > of companies ("Metropolitan") published at > > http://www.metropolitan.co.za (collectively the "disclaimers") and by > > reading this message and/or opening any attachment you are deemed to > > have agreed to be bound by the provisions of the disclaimers. 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