Hmm.... do those drag n drop features work well enough for commercial use? I understand the the Websphere IDE does similar stuff for JSF, but it isn't great for use in teams... how do those NB/Eclipse do in team environments?
On 11/1/07, Enrico Goosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Fritz, > > I agree that IntelliJ is an awesome IDE, but yes, I think the price tag > is the major inhibitor. (@ $249 for a personal license, and $499 for a > commercial license) > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/index.html > > As far as I'm aware, IntelliJ doesn't provide drag-and-drop wysiwyg > editors for Swing/JSF screen design. > > If you're going to spend money on an IDE, then it should at least > provide the main/standard features of Eclipse/Netbeans...and more. > > Regards, > Enrico > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Fritz Meissner > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: IntelliJ/Ant Question [Was: Maven - Netbeans] > > > I'd like to revisit this topic. I used Eclipse and Netbeans through > varsity, and I thought they were awesome... especially Netbeans, where > I used the Java EE features a lot. > > When I moved from varsity to the professional world, I made the move > to IDEA, because that's what everyone else here uses. The couple of > times I've messed around in Netbeans since then have not been fun > experiences. Sure, Matisse is cool, and Netbeans does do a little bit > more out of the box, but using plugins with IntelliJ doesn't seem as > fraught with peril as Eclipse plugins. > > The real killer feature for me, however, is the editor. Syntax > completion, refactoring, useful searches etc in NB/Eclipse have > nothing on IDEA. So many little niggles appeared that I would never > have noticed if I hadn't gotten used to IDEA, eg the delay for code to > compile every time you make a change in NB - you get no syntax > highlighting until the code has compiled again. I don't understand how > Sun can pour so much effort into Matisse but not work on that editor > :(. Surely the number of people doing Swing and using Matisse pales > into comparison with the number of people using the editor? > > Anyway, enough criticism. Here's the question: what are the "killer" > features of the other IDEs that makes everyone choose them over IDEA? > Or is it just the price tag keeping you away? (I don't actually know > the price myself, it could be horrendous for all I know - such tools > are paid for by the employers in my case ;-) > > And another question: for people who have used IDEA, are there other > IDEs that I haven't played with that do editing as well as IDEA? > Perhaps YAEP (Yet Another Eclipse Plugin) that I haven't tried? > > Fritz > > On 10/26/07, Brian Silberbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <znip> > > > I'm still pretty happy with NB. (Quite something for a hardcore > > > "vi+make" old fart! ;-) I couldn't see anything on the IntelliJ > site > > > that looked like "compelling enough" to consider a switch > (considering > > > the cognitive overhead of switching a tool as sophisticated as any > > > modern IDE.) > > > > > > > <rushed comment> > > I don't agree; I've been flipping between netbeans and eclipse for the > > last 2 years for a number of reason (clients choice, IDE strength > > etc..) and haven't found too much hassle in switching betwean IDE's, > > even mid-project. > > > > <rushed comment>Once you go down certain routes you can get 'tied' to > > a particular IDE (e.g. using matisse for swing), but generally they do > > the basics the same and learning new key strokes comes quickly. > > > > When I have the choice I use eclipse for basic 'code' projects - the > > DAO backend etc.. and Netbeans for integrated applications > > (servlets/JSP, swing, mobile) because eclipse still outclasses > > netbeans on ease and speed of coding and netbeans outclasses eclipse > > on the integrating out the box just works kind of thing. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > -- > > > mike morris :: mikro2nd (at) gmail (dot) com > > > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/ > > > http://mikro2nd.net/blog/planb/ > > > http://mikro2nd.net/blog/mike/ > > > > > > -- A day without chillies is a day wasted -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Brian Silberbauer > > Consultant > > > > +27 (0)83 566 2705 > > skype: brian.silberbauer > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/briansilberbauer > > > > > > > > > > > "NOTE: This message (including attachments) is subject to all the > restrictions, qualifications and disclaimers of the Metropolitan group of > companies ("Metropolitan") published at http://www.metropolitan.co.za > (collectively the "disclaimers") and by reading this message and/or opening > any attachment you are deemed to have agreed to be bound by the provisions of > the disclaimers. 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