I have to say this debate is rather entertaining but we all use the IDE we feel comfortable with. I 'grew up' with IJ, but had to make the switch to Eclipse as the project and company I worked for dictated that choice. Now I am back with another company, and they use IJ again. Personally I can work with either but you have to focus on one, or else you wont become sufficiently proficient in your IDE and get your project finished :) Perhaps an analogy. Audi say their cars are better than BMW, BMW say their cars are better than Audi. If either, were in fact correct and could somehow enforce it, we would ALL then be driving, either a BMW or an Audi. But, due to our personalities and likes and dislikes we are all our own person, hence some like BMW and some like Audi. Yet the debate will rage on forever, the one trying to prove better than the other. :) There we go, now that I have done my 'philoshopizing' for the day, let me get back to my Eclipse! :)
On 11/1/07, Enrico Goosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm not sure I understand your question regarding suitability for team > work...we use clearcase for source control, so files can be checked out > and worked on, then checked back in (from within Eclipse). > > Apparently the JSF code generated by the Eclipse IDE's wysiwyg editor is > much cleaner than that of the Netbeans IDE. > > JSF component libraries that are added to Eclipse become available in > the drag and drop component palette. They may not render correctly at > design time, but at least you can make use of them and place them during > your page design. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Fritz Meissner > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: IntelliJ/Ant Question [Was: Maven - Netbeans] > > > Hmm.... do those drag n drop features work well enough for commercial > use? I understand the the Websphere IDE does similar stuff for JSF, > but it isn't great for use in teams... how do those NB/Eclipse do in > team environments? > > On 11/1/07, Enrico Goosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi Fritz, > > > > I agree that IntelliJ is an awesome IDE, but yes, I think the price > tag > > is the major inhibitor. (@ $249 for a personal license, and $499 for a > > commercial license) > > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/buy/index.html > > > > As far as I'm aware, IntelliJ doesn't provide drag-and-drop wysiwyg > > editors for Swing/JSF screen design. > > > > If you're going to spend money on an IDE, then it should at least > > provide the main/standard features of Eclipse/Netbeans...and more. > > > > Regards, > > Enrico > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Fritz Meissner > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:48 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: IntelliJ/Ant Question [Was: Maven - > Netbeans] > > > > > > I'd like to revisit this topic. I used Eclipse and Netbeans through > > varsity, and I thought they were awesome... especially Netbeans, where > > I used the Java EE features a lot. > > > > When I moved from varsity to the professional world, I made the move > > to IDEA, because that's what everyone else here uses. The couple of > > times I've messed around in Netbeans since then have not been fun > > experiences. Sure, Matisse is cool, and Netbeans does do a little bit > > more out of the box, but using plugins with IntelliJ doesn't seem as > > fraught with peril as Eclipse plugins. > > > > The real killer feature for me, however, is the editor. Syntax > > completion, refactoring, useful searches etc in NB/Eclipse have > > nothing on IDEA. So many little niggles appeared that I would never > > have noticed if I hadn't gotten used to IDEA, eg the delay for code to > > compile every time you make a change in NB - you get no syntax > > highlighting until the code has compiled again. I don't understand how > > Sun can pour so much effort into Matisse but not work on that editor > > :(. Surely the number of people doing Swing and using Matisse pales > > into comparison with the number of people using the editor? > > > > Anyway, enough criticism. Here's the question: what are the "killer" > > features of the other IDEs that makes everyone choose them over IDEA? > > Or is it just the price tag keeping you away? (I don't actually know > > the price myself, it could be horrendous for all I know - such tools > > are paid for by the employers in my case ;-) > > > > And another question: for people who have used IDEA, are there other > > IDEs that I haven't played with that do editing as well as IDEA? > > Perhaps YAEP (Yet Another Eclipse Plugin) that I haven't tried? > > > > Fritz > > > > On 10/26/07, Brian Silberbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > <znip> > > > > I'm still pretty happy with NB. (Quite something for a hardcore > > > > "vi+make" old fart! ;-) I couldn't see anything on the IntelliJ > > site > > > > that looked like "compelling enough" to consider a switch > > (considering > > > > the cognitive overhead of switching a tool as sophisticated as any > > > > modern IDE.) > > > > > > > > > > <rushed comment> > > > I don't agree; I've been flipping between netbeans and eclipse for > the > > > last 2 years for a number of reason (clients choice, IDE strength > > > etc..) and haven't found too much hassle in switching betwean IDE's, > > > even mid-project. > > > > > > <rushed comment>Once you go down certain routes you can get 'tied' > to > > > a particular IDE (e.g. using matisse for swing), but generally they > do > > > the basics the same and learning new key strokes comes quickly. > > > > > > When I have the choice I use eclipse for basic 'code' projects - the > > > DAO backend etc.. and Netbeans for integrated applications > > > (servlets/JSP, swing, mobile) because eclipse still outclasses > > > netbeans on ease and speed of coding and netbeans outclasses eclipse > > > on the integrating out the box just works kind of thing. > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > mike morris :: mikro2nd (at) gmail (dot) com > > > > > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/ > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/blog/planb/ > > > > http://mikro2nd.net/blog/mike/ > > > > > > > > -- A day without chillies is a day wasted -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Brian Silberbauer > > > Consultant > > > > > > +27 (0)83 566 2705 > > > skype: brian.silberbauer > > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/briansilberbauer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "NOTE: This message (including attachments) is subject to all the > restrictions, qualifications and disclaimers of the Metropolitan group > of companies ("Metropolitan") published at > http://www.metropolitan.co.za (collectively the "disclaimers") and by > reading this message and/or opening any attachment you are deemed to > have agreed to be bound by the provisions of the disclaimers. 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