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On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Jim Condit Jr. wrote:
>> >over by the Roman Catholic Church . . . with the result that the world
>> >became civilized.
>>
>> THAT's debatable!
>
>Debatable, yes, but I submit we're coasting on the civilization brought to
>the world by the Roman Catholic Church between 4th and 14th century (one
But that presumes that what predated the invasion of Roman Catholicism
was NOT 'civilization'...highly debatable, as much of Europe had a high
degree of 'civilization' prior to Christianity -- especially eastern
Europe, which resisted Christianity into early Renaissance times...and
yet, they were every bit as 'civilized', if not more so, than their
Romanized neighbors...
And one just has to compare medieval Rome with, say, Barcelona of the
same period (under control of the Moors) to find the appellation of
Roman Catholicism being 'civilized' not only debatable, but
laughable...
>hundred years or so before Apostate priest Luther started changing the
>Bible which the Catholic monks of the Middle ages had preserved after the
Oh, as if the church prior to Luther hadn't taken 'poetic license' with
scripture!
>I know you're right about the traitorous, apostate Roman Catholics (many
>too dumb and shallow to know of their infidelity) and don't know any
>Wiccans --- but as I understand it, both are simply in contradiction of
>their professed group's doctrine.
First off, neo pagans, and Wiccans in particular, do NOT have a
'professed doctrine', especially on a group level...but most I have known
have actually been vehemently opposed to abortion and euthanasia, as they
feel it is against the 'life affirming' nature of the 'Great Mother
Goddess'...
>> Are you telling us you are against birth control pills, too?
>
>Absolutely. Better to call them birth prevention pills, or anti-baby pills.
And so....? Your point is?
>They do tremendous harm to women, too.
Which should be OUR choice to make...not yours.
>This is where the many Protestant
>religions bit the dust (again) in following the demonic Margaret Sanger,
>while the Roman Catholic Church has been consistent and held firm. (All
>Protestant religions in the USA, except the liberal plants like
>Unitarianism)
Unitarians are a separate religion, and are NOT Protestant.
>> Then explain to us the flood legends which come to us from civilizations
>> which PRE-DATE Noah? ;-)
>
>OK. I should have said that Adam and Eve were promised a Savior, and that
>the promise they passed on got distorted in many cultures up to the time of
>Noah -- but you have to sometimes try to cut these posts short when you
>think you've made the essential point.
Or as in your case, don't have any FACTS, just superstitious opinion...
Which you have a perfect right to hold...you DON'T, OTOH, have the right
to try to impose your superstitions on the rest of us...
>Same deal -- or are you suggesting that "evolution" planted these notions
>in widely diverse peoples, all getting the idea independently, or what are
>you suggesting regarding the prevalence of the Savior or the Mother/Child
>team legends found in so many cultures?
In my cosmology, I find it hard to believe God would condemn a whole
people just because they had the 'bad luck' to be born at a certain time,
and/or in a geographical location, which made it impossible for them to
know about the Judeo-Christian religions...
>> There are as many scientific studies debunking the shroud as supporting
>> the theory that it's Jesus' actual shroud...it all boils down to FAITH...
>
>I don't think so. They can't reproduce the shroud today, despite much
They can't recreate the Great Pyramid at Giza, either...nor figure out
how the other 6 Wonders of the World which haven't survived were built...
neither can they figure out how the Druids built Stonehenge...or how huge
carved heads representing all the races of the world got into the middle
of the Guatamalen jungle, especially considering neither the Incans or
Mayans had the wheel....
>high-falutin bunk that hopes you infer that they can. Also, the Shroud had
>certain pollens in it that were only found in the Mid-east area.
It doesn't PROVE anything...the KNOWN HISTORY of the Shroud has it in
certain churches in the Mideast during the late Byzantine/early Medieval
period...
>> It is by FAITH alone that one is saved, not by turning THINGS into icons
>> and worshipping them...
>>
>Here, here; so true. Who said anything about worshiping icons? Material
You are, by being so vehemently focused on STUFF like the Shroud...you
catholics turn THINGS into objects of worship...
>things or signs are sometimes given to strengthen Faith.
Bull! God isn't a Las Vegas magician, needing smoke and mirrors...
A true believer doesn't NEED cheap tricks to strengthen their faith...the
WORD given to us should be sufficient...
>in St. Mark and elsewhere. It is blasphemy to believe that the Holy Ghost
Actually, the whole concept of 'the Holy Ghost' is considered blasphemy
by some Christian scholars...
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