-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Bill Howard wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Party of Citizens wrote: > Unreported persons are not necessarily missing persons They may not > wish to be reported for one reason or another. The definition of "missing" in this case is "unaccounted for by MHR". MHR has a big political stake in reporting on its "success stories" of welfare leavers. So the successes among the 1/3 are blown up and publicized as tonight on BCTV with a welfare leaver in a restaurant-training program. Forget about the tens of thousands BCTV and MHR can't locate. Media don't do in depth work very often. True, those who aren't accounted for may be incognito. I think that is dealt with in the 8 categories. For example, some may be doing illegal work like drug dealing...not good candidates for a BCTV interview. And dead people don't come forward for interviews (category 7). We are just asking where they are and what they are doing. Fill out the form, Premier Campbell...if you care about what happened to these people! The census people are > well aware of this group of people. And I do agree with you that the > number will be larger than expected because no one knows how large the > group is. Bingo. We have numbers for reported missing persons. No numbers for unreported missing persons. So the follow-up survey we are requesting could do a favour to every jurisdiction in North America. When poor folk "drop off the radar" what happens to them? That 2/3 unaccounted for may be typical. But in jurisdiction A maybe only 1/10 of 1% of those have met with foul play. In BC maybe it is 10%. Dr. Lopez Solla suggested even starting with a modest 3-5 drawn at random would help. If the authorities (including police) have trouble finding them, we likely have a big problem. > There is one problem with the idea that the governments are doing away > with these people as a purposeful policy. In North America governments are not likely to do so directly. There is not likely to be a Department to Make People Disappear. But complaints about the useless eaters could be "overheard" by organized crime figures. Police launched an unprecedented raid on the BC Legislature a few months ago because of organized crime infiltration. And organized crime could have its independent ideas about what to do with useless eaters who use up THEIR tax dollars when their illegal money is laundered or when laws change to legalize their illegal activities. Motive? This government has been threatening the health and lives of these people for two years in an unprecedented attack on the poor as our web site tells you. No government threatens to throw trashed furniture out on the street. This government threatens to throw people out on the street. Just had a new signee complete our forms for UNHCHR a couple of hours ago. Asked for address, this person pointed to an alley a couple of blocks away. And that is what are they > doing with the bodies and why hasn't someone gone public with it? This > would not stay a state secret for long in todays world. Here we are. We've gone public with it. Not stay a secret for long? We keep begging for an inexpensive follow-up on these people. It remains a secret as to what has happened to the missing thousands. All they have to do is start with 3-5; or maybe run 100 names through police and welfare computers across Canada. Just give us some answers. Start by filling out the form Premier Campbell. > If the governments made the removal of these people a priority, they > would do nothing for them and let them die of exposure or the abuse of > drugs/alcohol. This is the prospect of genocide by stealth we are talking about here. To kill off the alcoholics and addicts by refusing them treatment is too obvious. But what about hundreds of thousands of transients and homeless (estimated at maybe 1% in Canada or 300,000)? Such people don't get reported as missing ... except by POC. Let people die of exposure? Too unpopular. When Frank Paul was dumped in an alley here, by police, drunk and soaking and died of exposure, there was a big furor. The Police Complaint Commissioner called for a public inquiry. But as for disappearing without a trace? EASILY done. Frank Only, the famous BC artist crashed his plane into the Fraser R. last month. They haven't found his body which could be far out in the Pacific by now. One way trips in a fast boat owned by the gansters who have infiltrated the BC Government; just a few miles off shore and a powerful shredder or wood chipper to turn the bodies into fish food. No body is ever found and NO STATISTIC EVER SHOWS UP ON POLICE MISSING PERSONS FILES. Genocide of the poor by stealth would be easily engineered and until a follow-up is done, we won't know for sure. Otherwise, fill out the form with its 8 categories and tell us where these people are. If government knows why doesn't it fill it out? ZG > > That's hundreds of thousands who are UNreported missing persons. How > > do we > > know? Because when the Ministry of Human Resources decided to use > > "radical" methods to remove large numbers of welfare recipients from > > its > > rolls, it conducted "Exit Surveys" by its staff of research experts. In > > the first two Exit Surveys, they were unable to find 2/3, ie >5,000 > > people. The research experts said, Oh well ... that kind of result is > > typical for this kind of study and this kind of population. That being > > so, > > expect hundreds of thousands; maybe even millions of such unreported > > missing persons across North America. Somebody else can do the math > > but it > > is a big number. > > > > We gloss over statistics too readily. We see stats on missing persons > > and > > overlook that they are REPORTED missing persons. UNreported missing > > persons are those in the Exit Surveys. I have an old friend whom I see > > no > > more than once every few years. He has no family ... friends where he > > finds them from sea to sea; the last of the old fashioned hobos. He > > goes > > from welfare office to welfare office across Canada and does odd jobs. > > Little formal education but a fascinating person because his life > > style is > > rare. I'm always glad to see him. Now what if he met with foul play? > > Who > > would report him? Nobody. Not the hotel he checks out of because their > > clientelle are transients. Not his friends because we see him so > > rarely. > > People like this can "disappear" and never so much as show up in an > > obituary column or a police missing person stat. > > > > And why just in > >> the USA? Doesn't Canada and Europe have a homeless problem? > > > > Yes, it is a problem all over the world. But the focus presently is on > > missing persons. Vancouver estimates 1,200 homeless. They are not > > missing > > because we can find them any day. The thousands in the 2/3 of MHR rolls > > are missing because society as a whole doesn't know where they are. We > > can > > guess and I am working on a form with 8 categories to help our > > guessing. > > > >> Bill H > >> On Mar 27, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Party of Citizens wrote: > >> > >>> All part of ridding the world of "useless eaters". So ask yourself > >>> what > >>> happens to all those hundreds of thousands of 'transients' and > >>> 'indigents' > >>> who are UNREPORTED missing persons in U-S-A. > > > > I threw this out to stimulate discussion of the "conspiracy theory" > > sort. > > The UN tells us 25,000,000 die every year for want of necessities of > > life. > > But how many die because they are made to disappear? We have Dr. Lopez > > Solla on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and she is helping us to > > understand this problem better. Her doctoral dissertation was on > > missing > > persons and she has coined the apt phrase: "Authors of Disappearance". > > > > So I ask: Given that so many people buy into the theory of surplus > > population and see others as "useless eaters", could there be > > systematic campaigns in some jurisdictions of the world to liquidate > > the > > useless eaters? Do they have authors of their disappearance? What do > > you > > think? > > > > ZG > > > > www.ctrl.org > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > > ========== > > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing > > propagandic > > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! 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