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Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read the
hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out to
be a statist. The government will take care of us, right Nurev? Let the
government murderers and cowards of the FBI and ATF have the guns. They did
such a great job at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the World Trade Bombing, and the OKC
bombing plus the tens of thousands of other illegal activities these 90's
gestapo have perpetrated in the last few years (civil asset forfeiture). Yes
that's right nurev, we will feel so much safer when they are the only ones to
have guns. We will then only have government orchestrated mass murder and
subjugation. But then that is alright with you, isn't it? You have the gall
to advocate taking guns away from American citizens and only giving
government agancies the right to have guns. A government completely corrupted
from the top down. Your hero, rapist, murderer and one of the most thorough
going bastards to ever desecrate the White House, Bill Clinton is to be
trustes with this power. You believe it is better to have Bill in charge of
government agencies who are armed against an unarmed populace?
You so quickly forget history's many lessons of dictators disarming the
citizenry only to be followed by genocide. What about the Warsaw uprising in
which a handful of Jews took on and held their own for quite some time
against the Nazis' s after they had managed to obtain some firearms. Preach
your statism in Beijing where I'm certain they will also secretly hold you in
contempt. Your views on inalienable human rights are particularly revealing;
Not at all. Rights are a conceptual legal concept. If everybody
> > plays along, you have rights. If most, or even many people don't
> > play along, you have bupkes. There is nothing inalienable about
> > legalisms in the real world.
> >
> > >
>Jim Norman says;
> The above is a most revealing statement. It shows that Nurev has the
> same understanding of rights as did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and all the
> other mass murders of the past (and of the future). They have no concept
> of the agreement among mature people to recognize the humanity of others
> and not treat them as resources to be exploited and killed if they get
> in the way.
Not only Hitler and Mao, Jim. Also George Bush and Bill and Hilary Clinton
along with many Congressman and Senators. Conceptual only to a wanton
socialist like yourself, Nurev. Rights only subscribed by the gun toting ATF
murderer at your doorstep and fully endorsed by Nurev. How comforting. You
talk about our basic human rights being a conceptual legal concept, what
utter nonsense. Trying to make our basic human rights an issue in which we
need lawyers to decide what we do and do not need. I'm certain most people
can agree on what our basic rights are without the need for lawyers ratifying
it. You not only advocate only a government of armed thugs, you reduce our
rights to the whim of lawyers decisions.
<< >I wish to avert that violence because I live in this society, and I
don't want to go down with it.
If you think you can avert violence by not being ready to counter it, you
are a fool. Violence is part of life; it is NOT going away just because
some people wish it to. Violence has been part of life since the first
aomeba ate the first protazoa; get used to it. Violence is not evil.
Violence is not good. Violence just is. To equate the knee to a rapists
crotch with the sap in a mugger's hand is an infantile thought process.
That's kidthink. Grow up. Violence is like weather. Sometimes it's sunny.
Sometimes it rains. When it rains do we hide in the house? No, we carry an
umbrella and go on about our life.
>How many more people will kill each other with guns just so you can feel
ideologically correct? 1000? 10,000? How many?
And how many unarmed women will be raped so YOU can feel ideologically
correct? How many frail elders will be murdered in their beds? For that
matter, how many high school kids will die like the kids at Littleton
died, waiting in vain while four, count 'em, FOUR SWATs hid outside behind
armored trucks, waiting for the the perps to kill themselves and then
waiting two and a half hours MORE before they dared to poke their
cowardly pig snouts in the door?
911 is a joke. When trouble strikes, ready or not, we're on our own. Ready
is better.
>I'm not threatening revolution. I am saying that the natural outcome of
Capitalism is concentration of wealth. The natural outcome of the
concentration of wealth is poverty for most people. The natural outcome of
poverty is social disintegration. The natural outcome of social
disintegration
is dictatorship. And the natural outcome of dictatorship is revolution.
"An unarmed people are slaves, or subject to slavery at any time." --
Malcolm X
>> I am telling you that your philosophy will end in violence.
And I'm telling you that YOUR philosophy will end in slavery.
>>I don't want ANY of these things to come about. But any fool can see
that those situations would be infinitely more deadly if they occurred in
a country with free access to millions of guns.
And any fool SHOULD be able to see what would becoume of us if we lived in
a country where only the government had guns.
But I guess not.
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