-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-15 10:47:40 EDT, James writes: << You obviously never talked to me.>> Correct. <<The evolution of a new species does not mean that the basic stock either goes existence, or that there must only be one descendent branch. Consider that wolves, dogs and foxes descend from a common ancestor, but the rise of one to fill an ecological niche doesn't mean that the others must go extinct.>> Only believers in the scientific religion of evolution would believe that dogs, foxes and wolves come from the same ancestor. Dogs & wolves maybe, they are nearly the same, I don't know about foxes. <<Humans and apes descended from a common ancestor. The rise of humans does not mean that apes must have been replaced.>> Again, this is the dogma of the evolutionist. There is no way to prove that humans and apes are from a common ancestor. <<You could extend this nonsense argument to ask why there are still fish when amphibians exist, or why are there still amphibians when there are reptiles, or why there are still reptiles when there are mammals, or why there are still dinosaurs when there are birds, uh, strike that last one :-).>> I don't believe that amphibians came from fish, so I would not make that analogy. <<Gravity is "just a theory".>> You can observe gravity. << If you believe that there is no evidence for evolution, you have either never seriously look for evidence, or are being willfully ignorant.>> Your opinion <<You seem to have a skewed idea of what a "theory" is. A theory is not shorthand for just any random idea.>> A theory is called a theory because it cannot be proven. << Evolution was not just "pulled out of scientist's asses." Evolution has a lot of data behind it. It comes in all forms and ranges from fossils to astrophysics to geology to microbiology. We can even look at agriculture to see a form of human-directed evolution of food crops and animal breeding.>> Did you take probability and statistics in college? If you did you know that data can be manipulated/skewed to favor one's analysis (theory). Can scientists trace the evolution of the first microbe to man with fossils ... I haven't seen this. <<Please post a copy of this alleged "government charter" for NAMBLA. At least post information on what governmental agency issued this charter.>> I trashed all the information I had on this organization, however you can look them up on the web at http://www.nambla.org One of the articles I read stated that the IRS recognises this organization as a non-profit entity. That's close enough to government recognition to me. <<As for what this has to do with evolution vs. creation, I can't see. It seems to me just a typical "muddy the water" nonsense argument by someone who just doesn't have any facts on their side of the argument. >> Scientists think only they are correct and therefore only their opinion (theories) matter. I don't see it that way. I see science as being corrupt. Example: The Food & Drug Administration (FDA) is run by scientists (controlled by govt.) and they put Nutra Sweet (aspartame) on the market as a sweetener and raided a Texas company (health food store?) that sold srevia and even made them burn their books on using stevia as a substitute for sugar or aspartame. Aspartame is a chemical substance that many doctors and scientists also have evidence that it is harmful to humans. Stevia is a natural plant that is about 1000 times sweeter than sugar with nearly no calories, it also doesn't turn into formaldehyde when exposed to high room temperatures. This is one reason why I don't trust scientists. There are other reasons, but not as blatant as this one. I also do not believe preachers because they seem to want only money and do not adhere to the Bible teachings they purport to teach. Again, with the issuing of licenses, government has perverted religion, much as it has done with science. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance�not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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