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</A> -Cui Bono?-
I think that I narrowed that wide-open category down just a bit when I
included my definition of believers in the very sentence that I used the
word ....Believers: Someone who believes that the bible was written by God
and that it's 100 % true from cover to cover. lol....I never mentioned
gravity, or a moon made of cheese.
No brain washing?!? Telling a child that not believing in God will result in
burning in hell forever,...I'm not even going to waste my time typing all
the instances of brainwashing that goes on in Sunday school with songs,
chants and other techniques, it should be completely obvious that many
children have no choice but to become a Christian because that's what their
parents are.
Faith, to me is not healthy. Faith is accepting ignorance, you have used
the word "experienced" 3 or 4 times in you post, have you had a true
religious experience? I have and I can tell you that it had nothing to do
with faith, it was the opposite of faith. Does your religion rely on faith
rather than experience? Dogma and creeds are not my cup of tea. I have no
need for faith, it is the psychedelic experience itself that takes one past
faith to the natural unity and integrity of the universe, showing us our
Selves as integral parts of the whole; that reveals to us the infinite
splendor of our universe, and the overlooked miracle that is common
consciousness. Any religion that requires faith and gives none, that defends
against religious experiences, that gives credence to some bizarre
superstition that humankind is in some way separate, divorced from the rest
of creation, one that does not bridge the gap between the Mind, Body and
Soul, is no religion at all!
You stated that I have just found something to disagree with and that I just
want to thump the thumpers, but you are the one that went off ranting about
green cheese and gravity...I'm not giving this post any more of my time.
andy
www.bluehoney.org
bluehoney wrote:
>>These are "believers" that blindly believe that the bible was written by
God and it is 100% true from cover to cover. Talking logic to these people
is impossible.<<
Please define "believers"... that is a wide-open category. Everyone
believes in something. You must believe in gravity, and believe in it
blindly... because it can only be understood in theory. It cannot be
physically examined, but it certainly can be experienced, and I'm sure you
"believe" in it's reality and its effects. :)
Don't knock it, 'til you try it, honey...
For example, If you want to believe that the moon is made of green
cheese... and is served best with ranch dressing, and if you also believe
you've tasted it and experienced it... and you think it's the greatest
thing since sliced bread, it would be impossible to talk logic with you
either.
People who believe the Bible was written by God, and those whom you call
impossible to talk logic, more than likely have had a life changing
experience that has convinced them that the Bible is true.
There is no brainwashing or mind control. It's called FAITH. A very
healthy human attribute.
Sounds to me that you've just found something in life and the social culture
.to disagree with and you just want to thump the thumpers (I actually
don't blame you to some degree)... But, If you haven't experienced it,
you cannot logically judge someone who claims to have experienced it. One
cancels the other.
eagle 1
----- Original Message -----
From: "blue honey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology (was BUSH IS A REPTILIAN)
> -Caveat Lector- <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">
> </A> -Cui Bono?-
>
> No I didn't consider that. But aside from snakes, think about this - Horus
> from Egypt (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin on Dec. 25,
taught
> in a temple at the age of 12, had 12 deciples, was slain on a cross
between
> 2 thieves, often represented with a triangle...), Quentalocatl of Mexico
> (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin, was tempted and fasted for
> 40 days, was slain in atonement for primal sin, often represented as the
> trinity and signified by 3 crosses, his second coming is confidently
> expected...) and the list goes on to Beddru from Japan and like I said
> before, there are dozens of characters through out time that share
> strikingly similar qualities. So what happened in Ancient Sumer that
spawned
> this global myth of a hero? And why is Christianity so widely believed to
> be true (in this country)? There's your conspiracy my friend: highly
> educated people, grown adults in the year 2000 believe with all their
heart
> that the miracles and impossibilities in the bible actually could have
> happened. Most would rather burn in hell for eternity rather than say that
> they don't believe. I don't care if these prescientific minds believed
> thunder was a god and snakes can sneak up and bite you, sometimes causing
> death...maybe that's why they are "evil". But in the information age there
> are 100,000 new Christians each day. What's the deal? These are
"believers"
> that blindly believe that the bible was written by God and it is 100% true
> from cover to cover. Talking logic to these people is impossible.
>
> Mind control? Brainwashing? You tell me, because I still believe in
Santa...
>
> andy
> www.bluehoney.org
>
>
>
>
> Blue Honey, have you considered the geographical proximity of the
religions
> you cite which regard the snake as evil, and that these seemingly
disparate
> religions are in fact variations on a much older theme from a single
source
> within the same area which is Ancient Sumer...
>
> BD
>
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