Nessie illustrates quite well in the quoted post below why it is impossible to
rationally discuss issues of this type without invective and rhetoric. Evolution,
creationism, religion, and other issues that involve a certain amount of philosophy
also require a certain amount of belief on the part of the adherants. When belief
comes into play there is an emotional attachment which causes a lot of invective and
anger, and more rhetoric etc. In the end what is gained? You will never be able to
change the mind of someone who has an opposing belief system than you in rational
discourse, so nothing is gained in its discussion. Nessie, in a previous post,
brought up a good related topic to discuss in this vein and that is the suppression of
alternative science, and the like, and that certainly has connections to the origin of
life question.
On Thu, 20 April 2000, nessie wrote:
>
> Look, I'm not going to debate evolution vs creationism with you here. This
> is not the right place. This place is for conspiracy theory. If you want
> to talk about conspiracy theory, we can talk about conspiracy theory. We
> can talk about it here. This is the place to talk about conspiracy theory.
>
> If you want to debate evolution vs creationism, do it somewhere else. Do
> it with somebody else. I don't want to debate evolution vs creationism
> with you or with anybody else, here or anywhere. We're not going to change
> each other's minds. All we would accomplish would be to waste each other's
> time. If we do it in public, on this list at least, we'd also waste a
> bunch of other people's time. I don't want to waste other people's time,
> even yours. If you do, you're a jerk.
>
> You may have time to waste, but I don't. Even if I did have time to waste,
> I fail to see any sound reason I should waste it on you. You're boring.
>
> You're also off topic. Take this evolution vs creationism debate to an
> appropriate venue. This is not the appropriate venue. Appropriate venues
> are available. Find one. Do it now.
>
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