If you had read the preceeding posts, you would see to what situation both
authors referred. I found both posts humourous in the light of the
confrontation which occurred a couple of days ago. If you refer evolution as
not a subject for a conspirational discussion group, in that many would
disagee. Many see the entire Darwinian theory as quite conpirational in a
move toward the destruction of spirituality with the end goal of one world
government, one religion, the illumati goals for this planet in general...

And so this isn't a wasted post here is Chuk Morse's position on the Elian
case:

The Left's Response to the Elian Gonzales Affair

The Elian Gonzales Affair has drawn the left out of the woodwork in their
knee jerk sympathy for their friend in Havana. Suddenly moderation is the
party line as expressions like "there's no black and white" and there is
"good and bad on both sides" emerge as the slogans to be repeated in
agitprop style. The left has cynically found family values as they are
championing the rights of the family, in this case, ironically, a father.
They are suddenly defenders of American law and order. This affair presents
a glimpse into the mind and soul of the authoritarian socialist.

A left wing friend complained to me recently that Cuban Americans are
"politicizing" this issue. This is really rich, considering that the left
politicizes everything from language that would be impolite, to private
sexual behavior. The left politicizes private issues for the purpose of
creating division and hatred thus empowering the state through legislative
solutions to the problem they created. Whether our government should send a
refugee back to certain slavery however, is most assuredly a political
issue. This friend accuses me of being in the Cuban American "amen corner".
I'm proud to be counted in that amen corner, standing up for freedom with
people who appreciate that freedom more than most Americans. I wonder which
"amen corner" my left wing friend would be found in.

In a Communist country there are no rights of the family per se, as family
rights, and for that matter all rights are subordinated to the state which
acts in the name of "the people" for "the common good". The Cuban
government owns both Elian and his father in the same way that an American
would own a set of hubcaps. According to the Washington Times, Luis
Fernandez, a spokesman for Cuba's unofficial embassy in Washington stated
that Elian "is a possession of the Cuban Government" and that "no other
entity can remove this". This view is in harmony with American leftist
thinking, whether conscious or internalized, and is formalized in their
support for organizations simpatico to the philosophy of Cuban communism
such as the Children's Defense Fund, the UN Convention on the Rights of the
Child, many large foundations, and others.

The American left, in many cases unwittingly, resonates with the Cuban
constitution, which places responsibility for raising children in the hands
of the state. The communist state is given the legal authority and is
required to step in if there is a conflict between parents and children.
Cuban law requires parents and teachers to raise children with a "communist
personality" and outlaws "influences contrary to communist development". The
education philosophers who presently hold sway over our government run
public schools, and many "social service agencies" must be casting longing
eyes over the Gulf of Mexico. When the left, whether witting or otherwise,
talks about the rights of the family, this is what they really mean.

American leftist's have been repeating over 40 years, Hitler style, Cuban
generated statistics concerning high literacy rates, health care for all
Cubans, and other old saws generated by the Cuban ministry of propaganda.
Communists, by their own admission, are not interested in telling the truth,
only in reporting "facts" for the purpose of helping their glorious
revolution. In fact, communists don't actually recognize the existence of
objective truth. Everything is perception. The experts, to further the cause
of socialism, must therefore mold perception. Since reality and morality are
viewed as man made, the communist elite must exercise absolute power to
insure that reality is created in their image.

This is why a communist must not be believed, to them; it's ok to lie for
their cause. The practical results of that cause are absolute power over all
aspects of your life. This is, of course, the opposite of the American,
Judeo-Christian approach which is that God created an objective,
identifiable universe and that man, created in the image of God, is capable
of individually perceiving reality and morality.

It would, of course, be irrelevant and missing the point if the Cuban
claims of high literacy and health standards were correct.. What good are
any of these things if one is not free? A man sentenced to life in prison is
not much better off if he reads well or is kept in good health. The Cuban,
like all communist "masses" is serving a life term in slavery. The American
left either doesn't understand this, or supports it.




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Charles A. Morse is a nationally syndicated talk show host
heard on the American Freedom Network and is a
contributing writer for Enter Stage Right , Sierra Times and the Etherzone.
http://www.chuckmorse.com/elian_gonzalez.html


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