>Nessie do you think some theorists like M Persinger have any more value
than those who have personally experienced Ets?
He's more than a theorists. He builds and experiments with electromagnetic
devices that substantially alter consciousness and perception. He has
produced hallucinations of alien like beings. The phenomenon is
repeatable.
This does not mean that every time somebody thinks they are seeing an
alien they are actually being electronically mind controlled. But it does
mean the the perception alone can not be considered a reliable account. It
might be what it appears to be and it might be the product of electronic
mind control. Whether the experience could tell the difference, I don't
know. But I suspect Persinger does.
>Why trust anybody who is sitting reading books on this subject and
comparing an abductee experience to an induced one.
Like I said, he does more than read books.
>Sure listen to the guy but he knows no more about the 'reality' of it
than June who hasn't read much at all on this.
Reality is subjective.
>But we do 'believe' from others who have seen throught he deception that
the US military are faking alien abductions so they can abduct people.
Well here's the crux of the problem and why I want you to become at least
objective enough to be willing to contribute your considerable time and
resources to helping me figure it out. If the military, US and/or
otherwise, or the intelligence community, or any other covert grouping of
humans is responsible for the abduction phenomenon, what are their
motives? What is their plan?
Are they faking alien abduction so they can abduct people? Perhaps. If so,
why are they abducting people and why have they chosen this particular
cover-up?
Are they faking alien abduction so they can abduct people? Then again,
perhaps not. Maybe they have another motive. If so, what is it? And
again, what is their plan? Why are they doing this? What are they going to
do next?
>But there are geniune abductions
Agreed. But by ETs? Maybe. maybe not.
>because people ahve travelled in spaceships and gone to other planets and
brought back souvenirs.
(1.) That's what they say.
(2.) Even if they are telling the truth as they believe it , that in no
way means that that's what actually happened. It only means that's what
they believe.
>Neither person, theorist or ignorant, can tell without being a personal
witness at the time if someone's abduction occurred.
And even then . . .
>So if one person who hasn't personally been abducted, comments on
another's experience then they actually know nothing about it.
Agreed. But neither does the abductee, not for sure.
>1 They have read too many books including disinfo so can't decide truth.
One cannot read too many books. One can, however, read the wrong books, or
misunderstand the right ones.
>2.They have had drugs and think reality can't be deciphered properly
because they can't remember what it is like to have a clear mind anymore,
so think everyone else is as confused.
Given the intelligence community's long standing predilection for the
surreptitiously administering drugs (See:
http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/18.html and http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/17.html)
one can never be entirely certain that what one is experiencing now is
reality or the result of being drugged and not told about it.
>3.They have no firm beliefs and can't perceive another's point of view.
I'm unsure how these thing connect. Please elaborate.
>4.They see a scientific explanation for everything and are not able to
decipher the complexity of other dimensions and a person's direct
experience of them.
Everything has a scientific explanation and no one can completely decipher
the complexity of any direct experience, their own or anybody's, any
experience.
>5. They are unable to see beyond themselves to be objective about Earth
and its manifold off planet guided expressions of evolution to perfection.
Everything is perfect. It might not be a perfect whatever you want it to
be but it's definitely a perfect whatever it is.
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