-Caveat Lector-
Feel better, Samantha? Your attacks on me are nothing new and
pardon me if I gag on your alleged former regard for my opinion for
I am well aware you hold my posts in great contempt from your prior
assaults. No where in my post do I use the word liberal but rather
the collective 'we' and congress as a whole. It is YOU who are
inserting that issue.
I was responding to a post attacking and blaming the CIA
specifically for the 9-11 events for not warning by my tying it to
yet another post just prior to it trying to do the same thing by
saying the CIA had warned about this is a manner TOO specific and
therefore suspect. Now in your post, I notice suddenly the CIA
becomes responsible for the actions of air traffic controllers, the
FAA, the Pentagon and evidently the US Air Force.?
But that is good for your post points out the real problem even
better by illustrating the many agencies and jurisdictions of
authority. For example, who would you think is in charge of
Domestic Terrorism? The FBI would be the usual response, but not
any more. IT is under FEMA! This was just moved to FEMA last year
and just may not be such a wise move. We have a system that is far
too fragmented and regulated and no one has any authority to do
anything.
All of this needs to be streamlined and the jurisdictions and lines
of responsibility laid out more clearly. There were posts on this
list right up until the afternoon before this happened demanding an
end to these agencies entirely. Most of what is printed about the
CIA and NSA is myth and folklore. They simply to not have the
authority nor the means to do much of what is claimed, and
certainly not in recent years.
Remember that what is now termed 'CIA Trained' Bin Laden usually
neglects to remind us why he was trained for it was to fight the
Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980 and the decision to train him
was made at levels much higher than the CIA. It has become the
villain for any and all misdeeds of the government as a whole.
Odd, since the NSA is much larger and has more authority. I guess
as long as we can blame one agency over another, it serves as a
scapegoat and we escape the responsibilities for the actions of the
government as a whole. Just seems very lame to me. But is that is
the best you can do, go for it.
As to the business about the phone calls from the planes, I cannot
tie that into this and do not understand what you are saying. The
CIA hijacked the planes? They are now suicidal? I can't respond
to this for I don't get the connection. Latest I heard was they may
have trained at a flight school in Florida.
But once again my point is that the intelligence agencies, all of
them, have become a big mess of regulations and
overlapping/underlapping authorities and areas of responsibilities.
We just may also have to think about reinstating the ability to
perform assassinations for Bin Laden was followed continuously for
three years but knowing this, he was careful to do nothing for
which he could he charged. This man is far from stupid. We no
longer have agents on the ground abroad in any great number but are
trying to gather intelligence from satellite imagery and computers
and technology. This is a result of funding cuts and a decision
made at the highest level and handed down to the intel agencies.
You have never trusted my intellectual honesty and questioned even
the most minor of details. But there are failures all around here.
I happen to think they are executive and administrative more so
than intelligence. The warnings went unheeded for years but it had
never happened before and that is reason to think maybe it never
would. It was a sort of gamble which worked many times but this
time, we lost. I think we will simplify things in the future with
clearly delineated lines of responsibility after this. Some of the
authority previously stripped of the intel agencies will have to be
restored, however, before they can actually do anything. Sad it
took so much for us to realize taht it can happen here, even if it
never had before.
~Amelia~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Massive Intelligence Failure
-Caveat Lector-
Do you think for yourself, or do you let James Baker do it for
you? The
Church Committee was about ending CIA atrocities - that's what JFK
wanted
too. There is no shortage of funding so serious that it accounts
for the
Pentagon sitting there like a drugged duck waiting for an airplane
to smash
into it.
What about the so-called protected airspace over Washington? Oh,
I'm
sorry, did we stupid liberals cut funding for radar detectors?
That's
supposed to be the most SECURE airspace in the world! But a
commercial plane
which veered WAY off its path (which brings to mind air traffic
controllers
notifying the FAA immediately!!!???) flying into the most protected
airspace
on the planet, and no fighter jets were scrambled? Answer that!
Tell me why in all the phone calls made from hijacked planes
nobody said
anything about Arabs or Middle-Easterners? One controller heard "a
normal
American voice" over the radio the pilot had left keyed-on.
This stinks, and you who have a gifted intellect keep parrotting
the
stupidist crap. Amelia, I don't trust your intellectual honesty
any more -
not one bit. There is only one explanation for why a person with a
keen mind
would act like they can't even count to ten.
Samantha
In a message dated 9/12/01 12:20:07 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I am confused for here we have this post claiming massive
> intelligence failure and one just before it quoting Tenant
> predicting this so accurately as to be suspicious. Linda's post
> does prove that there was no intelligence failure and congress
was
> warned but ignored it. There has been a movement under way by
the
> likes of the Church Committee to decimate the intelligence
> agencies. We can't have it both ways. Either we want them or
we
> do not. We cannot tie their hands with excessive regulations
and
> continually cut funding and ignore what they tell us and then
blame
> them and claim they failed. We have the weakened agencies we
> demanded.
>
> And how will we know when this attack is over for these same
> agencies have told that there are weapons already in place, also
> ignored. If they are used, guess tat will constitute another
> 'failure' but it is the failure of congress to listen and act
upon
> the information they are given.
>
>
>
>
> ~Amelia~
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