-Caveat Lector- All of this ignores the many non-European Jews who make up a sizeable portion of the Israeli demographic. This includes Jews from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, and of course Palestine - all of which had good sized Jewish populations before the founding of Israel.
Again - Non-Jews are allowed citizenship in Israel. It is not guaranteed for non-Jews (just as citizenship must be applied for and accepted in the US and pretty much every other country) while it is for Jews, and thus conversations about who is Jewish or not do affect citizenship, but no one is DENIED citizenship simply because they are not Jewish. Guaranteeing citizenship for Jews is NOT the same as denying citizenship for others. This seems to be your confusion. As to the religious aspects of these conversations, I think the inordinate amount of control the religious minority holds over the secular majority is criminal, unfortunate, and evil. Much like I feel about the religious right in America. The advantage is that we don't have the sort of Govt. that requires coalitions, so the religious right here has to integrate into the majority parties, and thus theoretically have to tone down their message, as opposed to in Israel (or any of the parliamentary democracies) where they can keep their (evil) message pure, and wield power through a small number of critical seats. The disadvantage to our system of course is that in reality, once the religious right has integrated itself into a party ( the GOP as it were) It is very hard to weed it out, and it shapes the entire political spectrum. Those religious assholes tried to define me and my family (and most Israelis) as not Jews because we were not orthodox enough. This was as much about internal political control, as immigration policy. For the most part, they lost that battle in Israel - Most felt "Jewish enough for Hitler - Jewish enough for Israel" was a saner policy. Again - I do not defend a lot of what Israel has done. I do think it has a right to exist. Personally I think the Palestinian hardliners made a big mistake with this last intafada. They quite possibly would have a state right now, with a more liberal Israel as a neighbor, if they had not started blowing up schools discos pizzerias etc, again. Finally as to your last paragraph, I would find it more believable if posted about any of the myriad other places the US supports, that support dictatorial, racist, and otherwise unsavory regimes with even half the frequency, vehemence and vitriol you express about our support of Israel. For example Kuwait - a place where there is still slavery. Saudi Arabia - talk about restrictive racist immigration policy - you cannot even VISIT Saudi Arabia of you are not a Muslim. I could list all the South American And European dictators we supported, just because they didn't like communists, but who has the time.. And you know this anyway. on 10/04/02 9:30 AM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >> Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, which >> holds that Jews, like any other nation, are entitled to a homeland. >> thew > > Zionism is a political cult not founded on reality. To claim that mostly > Europeans who practice the Jewish religion can colonize the land > of others based on 2000 year old myths is racist since these > 'white' Europeans claim superiority over the natives who live there > and have a devine right to replace them. This is nothing more then > the latest manifestation of long standing European Colonialim which > has been going on from the Pilgrims to the Conquistadors to > Andrew Jackson to the Boers. Zionism was invented by European > Jews who (like the Boers) decided they should carve their own > colony out of a non-European place. > > Since an alleged motivation for the creation of Israel was to give > European displaced Jews a place to live after WWII (there were > millions of non-Jews also 'displaced') - it seems 'Israel' should > have been created within Germany since most blamed the Germans > for the Holocaust and the social disruption caused by WWII. > > If you deny that Israel has a religious / ethnic test for immigrant > citizenship, please take the time to read the Israeli papers for > a few days and you will see the controversy over who is an > 'acceptable' Jew for citizenship discussed almost daily. > > You may recall the huge controversy in Israel over the mass > immigration of Russian Jews - many of whom were accused > of not being really Jews. However the Zionists were so eager > to have white European immigrants come to Israel that they > conferred Jewish status on many who had questionable Jewish > background. Even those who had no obvious Jewish connection > were 'found' to have at least one 'Jewish' Grandparent. > > Non-Jews are permitted to come to Israel - someone has to do the > low wage work and the Palestinians are not welcome right now. Most > now come from the Phillipines or other third world countries on temporary > worker visas - they are not permitted to apply for citizenship although > many stay as illegals. > > As a Jew who writes about Zionism and Israel I suggest you first learn > some facts about the place. > > I personally have no grudge against Israel - the world is full of countries > and places that practice policies that I might not approve of. 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