-Caveat Lector- on 10/05/02 10:49 AM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -Caveat Lector- > > > <> We have working visas in the US. They are not the same as getting > <> citizenship. > > You are being disingenuous. The US does NOT have a policy of open, > unlimited immigration for only one religion and race - Israel does. > That is racism. > Ireland,eg, has a policy of citizenship for descendents of the Irish, for several generations. Yet I don't see anyone crying that Ireland practices a racist policy. >>> Of course people are DENIED citizenship >>> simply because they are not Jewish. It is silly to claim that there is >>> open immigration for Jews but non-Jews are subject to restriction >>> and claim this is not a racist immigration policy. Wonder what your >>> reaction would be if the US permitted unrestricted immigration by >>> 'Christians' but other religious immigrants were subject to >>> 'restrictions.' > > <> We do have a policy like that. It's just based on skin color and not > <> religion. > > You are wrong. It is illegal under US immigration law to discriminate > as to skin color. The fact is that legal immigrants to the US are > overwhelmingly 'brown.' > Here I was being disingenuous. But in truth it is far easier for a European to get a working visa here than someone from Africa, for example. >>> I guess you didn't carefully read my past post(s). For you to equate >>> Kuwait, Saudi Arabia with Israel - makes my point. Kuwait and >>> Saudi Arabia do not get a $5 Billion a year subsidy from US taxpayers, > > <> Unless you count in the money we spend to maintain a military presence > in > <> those countries for their protection. > <> Before you tell me about the oil, we could support less dictatorial, > more > <> democratic regimes in the area. We could insist on democracy for our > <> "allies", instead of just our "enemies". > <> The Saudi's are not sweet benevolent rulers, nor is it a place where > people > <> are not mistreated based on ethnic / tribal affiliation. There are > plenty of > <> people oppressed brutally because they are not the right sort of Islam > or > <> Arab for the family of Saud. > > What does the good or evil of other countries have to do with Israel's > racist policies? It has to do with where America spends its money - which was the source of your complaint. You object to funding Israeli atrocities, but have no problem funding Kuwaiti Slavery. >Those other countries do not pretend to be 'democracies'. > Israel and its apologists claim it to be the only 'democracy' in the Middle > East. This is false. It is false, Egypt is a democracy. I don't know, but I'm willing to bet there are more Muslims in the Israeli govt. than Jews in the Egyptian. Again - everyone is allowed to vote in Israel. You are not denied the right to vote, or run for office there, based on ethnicity. > > You seem like a decent sort. However until American Jews stand > up against this evil and stop reactively supporting Israel out of some > ignorant racialist loyalty, both the US and Israel are headed for bad > times. > flw I do stand up against Israel often. Its very funny, but with the same point of view, and the same set of beliefs and statements I am perceived of here as blindly pro Israel, and amongst many Jews I know , am considered to be anti-Israel to the point of reflexivness, and to some -near anti-Semitism. What I will not stand for, from either side, is a unilateral examination or condemnation. People on both sides ignore facts, and shout lies. I won't stand for it. I am against making Palestinian families homeless. I am pro-peace. Regardless of the history one way or another, as things stand today there has to be a Palestinian state. But that does not mean there was a Palestinian state before, or that such a state is occupied now. There is plenty wrong in Israel today, no question - but I don't need to add to that list with lies like only Jews can be citizens, and Arabs are not allowed to vote. I will not say it is OK to blow up children on school buses. Nor will I say it is Ok to bulldoze homes. It is all about critically, viewing the situation with as little bias as possible. From all sides. > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > ========== > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > ======================================================================== > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl</A> > ======================================================================== > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om -- All the thoughts of a turtle are turtle Emerson, Journals, 1855 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
