-Caveat Lector- on 10/05/02 2:00 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -Caveat Lector- > >> Ireland,eg, has a policy of citizenship for descendents of the Irish, for >> several generations. Yet I don't see anyone crying that Ireland practices > a >> racist policy. > > Ireland does not have an immigration policy restricting immigration > to Catholics. Decendants of former Irish citizens (former residents > of Ireland) may apply for dual citizenship. However non - Israeli > Jews have no prior connection to Israel (except via 2000 year old > religious myths). Addtionally, Israel has an active recruitment policy > to bring in Jews - they claim they 'need' more people (non -Jews need > not apply). Ireland is not recruiting Catholics worldwide to settle in > Ireland. > We have had the conversation before. "Jew" refers to a tribal affiliation (like "Irish") as well as a religion (like "Catholic"). I wish I had a different word, really I do. I am not religious. I hate having my sub-cultural affiliation confused with belief in some nonsensical belief system. Fuck religion. No one has any prior connection to any place but their own mythology. > >> Again - everyone is allowed to vote in Israel. You are not denied the > right >> to vote, or run for office there, based on ethnicity. > > Window dressing. The right to vote is meaningless if you are legally > marginalized and the main political power structure permits no > powersharing. > The the right to vote is meaningless everyplace - because everyplace has those its legally marginalizes > Your posts indicate a refusal to deal with the realities of state terrorism > carried out by Israel. I condemn it with the depth of my mind and heart. I say this over and over, and you don't hear it. I'm not sure why - but I think the only thing you would hear is "I deny Israel's right to exist" - which I do not. >The difference is that Israel is a legal state with > the legal responsibilities of a state. The Palestinians are not a state but > a subjugated stateless people. Any terrorism is a response to oppressive > occupation and is carried out by individuals and private groups - not by a > state. Ironically if Israel freed the Palestinians and permitted them to > have > a real state - then the Palestinians could be held responsible for > aggression > of one state against another. Here we agree 100%. Well 99%. Jordan is a Palestinian state. No one wants to deal with fact, however - oppression by Saudi Hashemites is apparently better than Oppression by Jews. Go figure. But I agree it is in Israel interests that there be another Palestinian state, if it wants the violence to end. Regardless of the facts of history. > >> There is plenty wrong in Israel today, no question - but I don't need to > add >> to that list with lies like only Jews can be citizens, and Arabs are not >> allowed to vote. I will not say it is OK to blow up children on school >> buses. > > You are creating strawmen again. I never claimed that 'only' Jews can be > citizens.I did point out Israel's racist immigration and internal apartheid > policy. > I never said that Israeli born Arabs cannot vote. Stick with the real > issues. > You evade the facts like a lawyer with a bad case. > flw > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > ========== > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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