From:   Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The last count the London Evening Standard did there
were an estimated 300 murderers walking the streets of
London who'd never been convicted. You can estimate
the relative rates of conviction for other crimes. The
London police are to that extent ineffective and you
can reasonably estimate the same situation exists
around the country.

Various Cybershooters have pointed out the very many
cases of police corruption reported in the media.

IG appears to be behaving in a way similar to the
tobacco companies - looking at the evidence and flatly
denying its existence. The tobacco companies deny
reality for financial reasons and so do the police.

The total number of demented mass-murderers with
firearms in the UK in the past century is TWO. Ryan
should have been stopped by the police after his first
murder and wasn't. Hamilton appears to have been an
active paedophile for over 20 years - that means he
was a serial rapist of little boys, it's not just a
personal preference - and the police certainly didn't
stop him.

IG's making a career of estimating people's
"dangerousness" with firearms is clearly an antisocial
waste of public money. The concept is an invention of
the police force for the purposes of ensuring
continued well-paid employment. 

What actually kills and harms people and hence can
reasonably be said to be dangerous is listed in the
Stationery Office's publication giving annual deaths
by cause and being deliberately killed with a gun by
someone else is a very long way down the list.

IG should face the fact that he's being personally
dishonest in his arguments and that the UK police
force are ineffective and generally corrupt in a
number of ways and that the "there are always a few
rotten apples in a large organisation like the police"
line of argument is NONSENSE. Their present influence
in our society is pernicious and things need changing.

Regards
Norman Bassett
drakenfels.org
--
Just one correction, there have been a lot of other
mass murderers this century who used firearms in this
country, they just haven't gotten the press of Ryan
and Hamilton.  One of them was Barry Williams who was
briefly a member of my club (until he was turfed out).  He
shot dead five people and was committed under the Mental
Health Act for about 22 years afterwards.

There was another nutter who stole his father's shotgun
and went on a rampage shooting 17 people in 1990 in
Monkseaton, he only managed to kill one though.  He
is currently committed to a secure hospital.

Also there was another nutter who shot dead his
family (I think four or five of them) in 1969 with
an SLR (he had an FAC for).  He was also committed
under the Mental Health Act until about 1993.  When
he got out he was okay for awhile but someone found
out about his past and he got depressed, borrowed
a neighbour's shotgun and committed suicide.

Steve.


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