On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute > anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. > I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking obvious troll. Rr > VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said > co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving > networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and > we no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent depends on the > existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a significant > leap forward. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf >> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at >> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on >> packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the DoD >> TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn. > > TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem > that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It is amazing > that very few changes were made since the first released version. We > all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the Internet." We know > there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything else with an > elegant solution. > > "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute > anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. > > You're ideology is strange and not very useful. > > We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and > related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value and appreciate > those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. We could > be paying packet charges to national telecoms with only centralized > "security", for instance. We are very very lucky, and not in an > anthropic principle way. > > sdw > > On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: >> >> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, >> hence all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham radio >> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >> >> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's >> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down of the >> history of the internet. >> >> >> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>>> >>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>>> >>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you >>>> know? It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. One >>>> person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>>> >>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>>> >>>> Rr >>> >>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals >>> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the Internet and >>> protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and >>> well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about it and a >>> few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, >>> telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf co-invented >>> TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I don't >>> know of anyone else who is said to have "invented the World Wide >>> Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of linked >>> shared information, like Ted Nelson. >>> >>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >>> >>> sdw >>> >> >