On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote: > > > > On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > >> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything >> significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >> > > I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he > owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty fucking > obvious troll.
You said: > This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all > sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham > radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. I interpreted that as: CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning. Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling. > > Rr sdw > > > >> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. >> Of course there were previous tries at solving >> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no >> longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent >> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a >> significant leap forward. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf >>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> >>> at Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted research on >>> packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed >>> the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn. >> >> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that >> needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It >> is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released version. >> We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented the >> Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled everything >> else with an elegant solution. >> >> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything >> significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >> >> You're ideology is strange and not very useful. >> >> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and >> related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value >> and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. >> We could be paying packet charges to national >> telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very >> lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way. >> >> sdw >> >> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: >>> >>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all >>> sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham >>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >>> >>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's >>> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing >>> down of the history of the internet. >>> >>> >>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>>>> >>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? >>>>> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine. >>>>> One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>>>> >>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>>>> >>>>> Rr >>>> >>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing >>>> or co-inventing specific components of the Internet >>>> and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and >>>> well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all about >>>> it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from FTP, >>>> telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint Cerf >>>> co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". I >>>> don't know of anyone else who is said to have "invented >>>> the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested some kind of >>>> linked shared information, like Ted Nelson. >>>> >>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >>>> >>>> sdw >>>> >>> >> >
