Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know what that word means.
sdw On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote: > > Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse". > > > On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>> >>>> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute >>>> anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >>>> >>> >>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he >>> owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty >>> fucking obvious troll. >> >> You said: >>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence all >>> sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham >>> radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >> >> I interpreted that as: >> >> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio >> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >> >> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of >> things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that he >> designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying that >> he was a ham radio operator on some team who took all >> the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none of it >> seems very logical, and the former is ridiculous, I >> took my best guess at meaning. >> >> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse then >> calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling. >> >>> >>> Rr >> >> sdw >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said co-invented. >>>> Of course there were previous tries at solving >>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we no >>>> longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent >>>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a >>>> significant leap forward. >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf >>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at Stanford >>>>> University from 1972–1976, where he conducted >>>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed the >>>>> DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn. >>>> >>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem that >>>> needed to be solved to build a working Internet. It >>>> is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released >>>> version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf invented >>>> the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did enabled >>>> everything else with an elegant solution. >>>> >>>> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute >>>> anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >>>> >>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful. >>>> >>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and >>>> related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't value >>>> and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in many ways. >>>> We could be paying packet charges to national >>>> telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We are very very >>>> lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way. >>>> >>>> sdw >>>> >>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence >>>>> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a >>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >>>>> >>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's >>>>> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing >>>>> down of the history of the internet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? >>>>>>> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can >>>>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rr >>>>>> >>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals inventing >>>>>> or co-inventing specific components of the Internet >>>>>> and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a core and >>>>>> well-known specific sense. Most of us have read all >>>>>> about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, switching from >>>>>> FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web pages. Vint >>>>>> Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented the Internet". >>>>>> I don't know of anyone else who is said to have >>>>>> "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who earlier suggested >>>>>> some kind of linked shared information, like Ted Nelson. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >>>>>> >>>>>> sdw >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
