I wish you would actually EXPLAIN yourself. This sounds remarkably
passive-agressive.
You either have a valid objection, or you don't. If you had one, you should be
willing to state it.
Don't pretend to have a valid opinion, unless you can defend it.
On Friday, November 15, 2019, 10:37:59 PM PST, John Newman
<[email protected]> wrote:
I always had a bad feeling about AP, for a few reasons. Jim just made
some of those reasons extremely obvious.
Cheers,
John
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:30:50PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
> One difficulty with using AP...or any enforcement mechanism...against
>ANYBODY is, you first have to detect the alleged crime. I used car thieves as
>a foil in Part 5 of AP. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm
> Like bank robbers, the probability of catching (or even identifying) a car
> thief the first time he acts is probably low. But eventually, he will get
> found out. And then he can get targeted using AP.
> If a pedophile was satisfied with looking at some dirty pictures, which can
> reside in some subdirectory on his computer, it isn't clear how this can be
> proven in enough confidence to induce the public to donate to an AP system.
> But it's arguable that it isn't really necessary to make sure AP would
> work...it would be enough to CONVINCE people that AP would work. Not exactly
> the same thing.
> Its clear that the news media has a major problem with their tolerating and
> covering up for pedophiles and other sex criminals. We are definitely
> learning that now, with people like Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein,
> Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby,
> This site lists many others.
> https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-registered-offenders/celebrity-lists
>
> If executives of the news media get targeted by an AP-type for tolerating sex
> crimes, they would become far more careful about failing to expose this kind
> of news. And that's a good step.
>
>
> On Friday, November 15, 2019, 02:20:57 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Jim, if you want any success, John appears right when he suggested
> you link your system with targetting pedophiles - Joe Blogs in the
> public tends to be motivated in protecting his young daughters,
> nieces etc, and although I think your idea is a flawed idea, you
> might get public traction at the moment with all the hoohah around
> Epstein and the Clintons.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 06:50:39PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
> > This Fund, and perhaps implied offer, seems to have arrived at just the
> >right time. I have proposed that an alternative to TOR be constructed, and
> >that is certainly not an idea that is new with my proposal. Anybody who is
> >uncomfortable with TOR should want to see real competition.
> > I have found, by obtaining a quotation, that the hardware costs are
> > probably going to be $80 per node, and it would be good if 1000 nodes could
> > be achieved, at least initially. People could host these nodes at their
> > businesses and homes where they are already paying for Internet service.
> > I think we should appply for some of these funds. Potentially, they could
> > subsidize the hardware, say $80,000. They could also subsidize a portion
> > of the internet service costs: I suggest the subsidy be set to
> > approximately difference between the cost of 40 Mbit/second service, maybe
> > $40 per month, and 1 gigabit/second service, which for Centurylink I
> > believe to be $65/month. (and there appears to currently be no monthly
> > data-limit for 1 Gig service.)
> > This would powerfully motivate people to offer to host a node, because they
> > would be getting the 1 gigabit service upgrade essentially for free. This
> > might also provide funds for development of the software, which is a task
> > in itself. A subsidy of $25/month is about $300/year, and multiplied by
> > 1000 nodes amounts to $300,000, or a total of about $380,000 for the first
> > year.
> > Can anybody imagine a more worthy, concrete proposal to accomplish what
> > this 'Unknown Fund' proposes to accomplish? And its yearly cost represents
> > less than 1/2 of a percent of the proposed fund.
> > Jim Bell
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, November 14, 2019, 01:48:41 PM PST, grarpamp
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.unknown.fund/
> >
> > "
> > Unknown Fund - Press Release 11/13/2019
> >
> > We are going to invest and donate $75 million of bitcoin in startups
> > that help anonymity ideas. Preferred niches are personal data
> > protection, tools for online anonymity, cryptocurrencies, blockchain.
> >
> >
> > Unknown Fund is Going to Invest and Donate $75 Million for the
> > Development of Ideas of Anonymity
> >
> > The anonymous organisation Unknown Fund has announced that it intends
> > to invest and donate $75 million in bitcoin to startups which directly
> > or indirectly support the idea of anonymity. Preference will be given
> > to the following niches: protection of personal data, tools for
> > anonymity, cryptocurrency and blockchain.
> >
> > The organizers of the fund are ordinary, anonymous people from
> > different countries who met on the 4chan English-language imageboard.
> > In a brief to our news agency Anonymous said:
> >
> > “We are you, we are your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters,
> > friends and colleagues. Our ranks consist of representatives of many
> > countries and nationalities, united by a virtual comradely spirit and
> > the belief that we are fighting for the good of many, and not for the
> > benefit of some. Anonymous is the voice of those who believe in truth,
> > freedom and the right to self-expression.”
> >
> > The Unknown Fund sees the protection of personal data as one of the
> > main challenges for modern man. The use of data has already become a
> > powerful tool for manipulating people. The effectiveness of this tool
> > is both amazing and frightening.
> >
> > Using as examples the ultra-targeted advertising used in Brexit
> > campaigns and in the last presidential elections in the United States,
> > one can see how easy it is to manipulate public opinion with enough
> > personal data. However, the manipulation of people occurs not only in
> > big politics, but also in our daily lives. A perfect example is the
> > level of addiction that the general population has to social networks
> > - addiction orchestrated and achieved by corporations.
> >
> > Anonymous added:
> >
> > “Now the main goal of large corporations is to collect as much
> > information as possible about the personal lives of people, and then
> > use it for their enrichment. And they do a great job of it by making
> > ordinary people get poorer. We are ready to fight for change and
> > protect people."
> >
> > The Unknown Fund also sees incredible opportunities to protect the
> > rights and freedoms of people that technology such as blockchain and
> > cryptocurrencies give us. This is a chance for humanity to create a
> > new environment, a new and honest monetary system, and to make the
> > world a better place.
> >
> > Unknown Fund suggests investment in commercial startups and donations
> > to nonprofit organizations. Investing is just the beginning. Anonymous
> > have developed a number of strategies and methods that will be
> > announced later.
> >
> > Anonymous ended the brief with the words:
> >
> > “If you believe in freedom of speech and the media, and most
> > importantly, in a free and accessible Internet, then you are also
> > Anonymous. Our opponents should not doubt our determination or
> > conviction. We will continue to fight as much as necessary to achieve
> > our goal.”
> >
> > "
>
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