What is justice? If it is not visiting upon those who do wrong the same wrongs that they commit, what is it?
Kurt On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 11:38 AM coderman <coder...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:16 PM, jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ... > > Not clear who says this, but let's remember that "murder" is simply a killing > that the government declares is illegal. If the attackers at Waco (the Feds) > had fired first, which we know happened, the Branch Davidians who shot back > in self-defense...would have been labelled as guilty of murder! Merely for > self-defense. > > > a false dichotomy; it would be better if no one was killed at all! > > > Except you don't even attempt to quantify the amount of killing that would be > involved in these two hypothetical situations. I wrote my AP essay about two > months prior to the OKC bombing on March 19, 1995. Later, I frequently > pointed out that if the choice is between killing 168 'innocent' people who > just happened to be in a building two years later, hundreds of miles away > from Waco, and killing (for example) the top 30-40 Feds responsible for Ruby > Ridge and Waco, what should an intelligent, well-meaning person choose? The > fact that the latter choice was then not possible doesn't mean that it cannot > be compared as a moral choice. > > > again, false dichotomy; these are not the only two possibilities - better to > not kill anyone! > > > > Also, you can claim you are merely saying "better to err towards never > killing", but that doesn't mean that nobody is dying! > > > if this is about universal healthcare, then i agree: people are needlessly > dying without being explicitly murdered, and we should fix this too! ;) > > > > Sure they are, the people you have chosen to say should not have the ability > to defend themselves. You can morally choose to be a pacifist for yourself; > I suggest that you cannot force other people to make that choice for > themselves. > > > i agree. i cannot force anyone. i can only highlight the fallacy of using > murder to right wrongs. expedient? sure. but call it vengeance, not justice > nor moral. > > best regards, >
