I object to replacing a police state with a police state by mob, which seems to be what you are actually proposing.
> On Nov 16, 2019, at 12:56 AM, jim bell <[email protected]> wrote: > > I wish you would actually EXPLAIN yourself. This sounds remarkably > passive-agressive. > > You either have a valid objection, or you don't. If you had one, you should > be willing to state it. > > Don't pretend to have a valid opinion, unless you can defend it. > > > > On Friday, November 15, 2019, 10:37:59 PM PST, John Newman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I always had a bad feeling about AP, for a few reasons. Jim just made > some of those reasons extremely obvious. > > Cheers, > John > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 11:30:50PM +0000, jim bell wrote: > > One difficulty with using AP...or any enforcement mechanism...against > > ANYBODY is, you first have to detect the alleged crime. I used car thieves > > as a foil in Part 5 of AP. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm > > Like bank robbers, the probability of catching (or even identifying) a car > > thief the first time he acts is probably low. But eventually, he will get > > found out. And then he can get targeted using AP. > > If a pedophile was satisfied with looking at some dirty pictures, which can > > reside in some subdirectory on his computer, it isn't clear how this can > > be proven in enough confidence to induce the public to donate to an AP > > system. But it's arguable that it isn't really necessary to make sure AP > > would work...it would be enough to CONVINCE people that AP would work. Not > > exactly the same thing. > > Its clear that the news media has a major problem with their tolerating > > and covering up for pedophiles and other sex criminals. We are definitely > > learning that now, with people like Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, > > Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby, > > This site lists many others. > > https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-registered-offenders/celebrity-lists > > > > If executives of the news media get targeted by an AP-type for tolerating > > sex crimes, they would become far more careful about failing to expose this > > kind of news. And that's a good step. > > > > > > On Friday, November 15, 2019, 02:20:57 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Jim, if you want any success, John appears right when he suggested > > you link your system with targetting pedophiles - Joe Blogs in the > > public tends to be motivated in protecting his young daughters, > > nieces etc, and although I think your idea is a flawed idea, you > > might get public traction at the moment with all the hoohah around > > Epstein and the Clintons. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 06:50:39PM +0000, jim bell wrote: > > > This Fund, and perhaps implied offer, seems to have arrived at just the > > > right time. I have proposed that an alternative to TOR be constructed, > > > and that is certainly not an idea that is new with my proposal. Anybody > > > who is uncomfortable with TOR should want to see real competition. > > > I have found, by obtaining a quotation, that the hardware costs are > > > probably going to be $80 per node, and it would be good if 1000 nodes > > > could be achieved, at least initially. People could host these nodes at > > > their businesses and homes where they are already paying for Internet > > > service. > > > I think we should appply for some of these funds. Potentially, they > > > could subsidize the hardware, say $80,000. They could also subsidize a > > > portion of the internet service costs: I suggest the subsidy be set to > > > approximately difference between the cost of 40 Mbit/second service, > > > maybe $40 per month, and 1 gigabit/second service, which for Centurylink > > > I believe to be $65/month. (and there appears to currently be no monthly > > > data-limit for 1 Gig service.) > > > This would powerfully motivate people to offer to host a node, because > > > they would be getting the 1 gigabit service upgrade essentially for free. > > > This might also provide funds for development of the software, which is > > > a task in itself. A subsidy of $25/month is about $300/year, and > > > multiplied by 1000 nodes amounts to $300,000, or a total of about > > > $380,000 for the first year. > > > Can anybody imagine a more worthy, concrete proposal to accomplish what > > > this 'Unknown Fund' proposes to accomplish? And its yearly cost > > > represents less than 1/2 of a percent of the proposed fund. > > > Jim Bell > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, November 14, 2019, 01:48:41 PM PST, grarpamp > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > https://www.unknown.fund/ > > > > > > " > > > Unknown Fund - Press Release 11/13/2019 > > > > > > We are going to invest and donate $75 million of bitcoin in startups > > > that help anonymity ideas. Preferred niches are personal data > > > protection, tools for online anonymity, cryptocurrencies, blockchain. > > > > > > > > > Unknown Fund is Going to Invest and Donate $75 Million for the > > > Development of Ideas of Anonymity > > > > > > The anonymous organisation Unknown Fund has announced that it intends > > > to invest and donate $75 million in bitcoin to startups which directly > > > or indirectly support the idea of anonymity. Preference will be given > > > to the following niches: protection of personal data, tools for > > > anonymity, cryptocurrency and blockchain. > > > > > > The organizers of the fund are ordinary, anonymous people from > > > different countries who met on the 4chan English-language imageboard. > > > In a brief to our news agency Anonymous said: > > > > > > “We are you, we are your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, > > > friends and colleagues. Our ranks consist of representatives of many > > > countries and nationalities, united by a virtual comradely spirit and > > > the belief that we are fighting for the good of many, and not for the > > > benefit of some. Anonymous is the voice of those who believe in truth, > > > freedom and the right to self-expression.” > > > > > > The Unknown Fund sees the protection of personal data as one of the > > > main challenges for modern man. The use of data has already become a > > > powerful tool for manipulating people. The effectiveness of this tool > > > is both amazing and frightening. > > > > > > Using as examples the ultra-targeted advertising used in Brexit > > > campaigns and in the last presidential elections in the United States, > > > one can see how easy it is to manipulate public opinion with enough > > > personal data. However, the manipulation of people occurs not only in > > > big politics, but also in our daily lives. A perfect example is the > > > level of addiction that the general population has to social networks > > > - addiction orchestrated and achieved by corporations. > > > > > > Anonymous added: > > > > > > “Now the main goal of large corporations is to collect as much > > > information as possible about the personal lives of people, and then > > > use it for their enrichment. And they do a great job of it by making > > > ordinary people get poorer. We are ready to fight for change and > > > protect people." > > > > > > The Unknown Fund also sees incredible opportunities to protect the > > > rights and freedoms of people that technology such as blockchain and > > > cryptocurrencies give us. This is a chance for humanity to create a > > > new environment, a new and honest monetary system, and to make the > > > world a better place. > > > > > > Unknown Fund suggests investment in commercial startups and donations > > > to nonprofit organizations. Investing is just the beginning. Anonymous > > > have developed a number of strategies and methods that will be > > > announced later. > > > > > > Anonymous ended the brief with the words: > > > > > > “If you believe in freedom of speech and the media, and most > > > importantly, in a free and accessible Internet, then you are also > > > Anonymous. Our opponents should not doubt our determination or > > > conviction. We will continue to fight as much as necessary to achieve > > > our goal.” > > > > > > > " > > > > -- > GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
