Thank you Messrs Gruber and Vaisman for your helpful replies. Regarding your query Ms Gruber, in a word my grandfather and his wife Marya nee ROSENZWEIG were both shot by the SS in the so-called Forli massacre(s) in Italy towards the end of the war.
Their story is documented in some detail on the following websites: https://www.cdec.it https://alfredlewin.it Ms Gruber I will message you directly with further details (and queries...) regarding the Vienna connection. On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 14:24, Primavera Gruber <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Mr. Pächt, > > according to my information (25 years of research on persecuted music > professionals with an Austrian background) your grandfather studied violin > at the Czernowitz Conservatory, and later on in Vienna piano (?) and / or > theory with Alfred Rosé at the Wiener Volkskonservatorium, and violin with > Julius Winkler, either at the Vienna Music Academy, where Winkler taught > 1924-1925 or as a private student of Winkler (Winkler was a well known > violin teacher with his own violin school). > “rout” seems to me to be an abbreviation of the German word ‘routiniert’, > which means he was an experienced violin player. I do not know in which > orchestras he played, but he certainly must have been a good violinist with > these teachers. > > As you might know, he is mentioned here: > Barbara Sauer, Ilse Reiter-Zatloukal: Advokaten, Wien: Manz 2010, S. 262 > > I also have a question for you : Can you tell me what happened to his wife > Marya /Maria, née Rosenzweig? Did she follow him to Italy? > I will always be grateful for any additional information. > > Best wishes > Primavera Driessen Gruber > Dr. Primavera Driessen Gruber > Sigmundsgasse 11/4 > A-1070 Wien > Tel. NEU: > 0043-699-18442160 > [email protected] > www.orpheusnews.at > www.orpheustrust.at > > Von: <[email protected]> on behalf of Jeremy > Pacht <[email protected]> > Antworten an: Jeremy Pacht <[email protected]> > Datum: Donnerstag, 16. November 2023 um 09:48 > An: <[email protected]> > Betreff: <SPAM> [czernowitz-l] Schule Rosé > > Hello, > > My grandfather Carl (or Karl) Josef PÄCHT was a lawyer by profession but > also an accomplished violinist. There were rumours within my parents’ > generation that he played, perhaps recreationally, with chamber groups > drawn from members of a leading Vienna orchestra, or that he played for one > of the main Vienna orchestras, perhaps as a substitute. > > He states on his Vienna emigration questionnaire that he studied music at > “Konservatorium in Wien *u. Czernowitz*, Schule Rosé”. > > I can’t find any reference to Schule Rosé on the internet: Does anyone > here know anything about the school, or about a Prof. Winkler under whom > CJP may have studied ? > > Also — this is a translation question that ought perhaps to be asked > elsewhere, but I’ll try my luck — he states that he had received further > training “als rout. Orchester….”: can anyone tell me what “rout.” stands > for / means ? > > > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ > > This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject > of > Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions > expressed > in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not > necessarily > the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members > or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has > an associated web site at http://czernowitz.ehpes.com that includes a > searchable archive of all messages posted to this list. Beginning in > 2021, > archived messages can be found at: > https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > To send mail to the list, address it to <[email protected]>. > > To remove your address from this e-list follow these directions > <https://it.cornell.edu/lyris/leave-e-lists-lyris>. > > To receive assistance for this e-list send an e-mail message to: > [email protected] > ------------------------------ > > > ******************************************************************************* This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not necessarily the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members or entities connected with this mailing list. The Czernowitz-L list has an associated web site at http://czernowitz.ehpes.com that includes a searchable archive of all messages posted to this list. Beginning in 2021, archived messages can be found at: https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ To send mail to the list, address it to <[email protected]>. To remove your address from this e-list follow the directions at https://it.cornell.edu/lyris/leave-e-lists-lyris To receive assistance for this e-list send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
