Ed:  I failed to mention that I have only used the very latest VMP 
framework tailored for VFP9 and it doesn't sound anything like what you 
described.

Jeff

Jeff Johnson
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Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I've done codebook and VMP.  VMP is superior in my mind!  Drew Speedie 
> was not only a total genius he also left great documentation.  I 
> understand completely why you had a problem with it, but it is not 
> unlike Dabo.  You need to spend a couple of minutes with it.
> 
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Jeff Johnson
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> SanDC, Inc.
> 623-582-0323
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> 
> Ed Leafe wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> There is a lot to be said for learning something new.  I would  
>>> never say
>>> I was in a rut, but I enjoyed moving my VFP7 apps to VFP9 with the VMP
>>> framework.  I have learned a lot from that framework.
>>      Eewww! I inherited a project in VMP, and found it to be a nightmare.  
>> A simple form is already several levels down in the form class  
>> hierarchy; grids were all-powerful, and controlled all data access,  
>> sorting and everything else to do with data on a form; every form  
>> defaulted to sucking every bit of data, and it was a real pain to  
>> create a form that only pulled down what it needed. Grids had 10  
>> columns, and you had to set a property to remove the ones you didn't  
>> need!
>>
>>      I ended up integrating Codebook bizobjs into VMP to make a bizarre  
>> hybrid framework. Shortly afterwards, they came out with the grafted- 
>> on n-tier support which was (IMO) a whole lot messier than the  
>> grafting I did.
>>
>> -- Ed Leafe
>> -- http://leafe.com
>> -- http://dabodev.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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