Hi, 

I'm just a simple user, but I feel it would be a wrong direction for darktable 
to focus on widget-writing. IMHO this is an issue of proper packaging: If 
darktable right now depends on GTK <= 3.18, a distribution shouldn't do the 
upgrade to GTK 3.20 without warnings that something might break. 

I think the widget design got a lot better in the transition to GTK 3. Making 
good widgets takes a lot of effort, and that doesn't pay off in a single 
program. Instead of specific widgets I'd like to see more development in stuff 
that is photography-specific, be it dual monitor setups (maybe have all the 
darkroom tabs show on the small monitor side by side and the image on the big 
one?), 30bit color, or cool image processing algorithms like the perspective 
correction.

Cheers 
Michael

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Von: johannes hanika [mailto:[email protected]] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2016 11:31
An: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [darktable-user] Upgrading to GTK 3.20 ruins all menus (at least 
in darkroom)

hi,

i guess you could bother the gtk guys about that, but i doubt it would do 
anything. i'm tempted to say that doing it the blender way and just writing our 
own widgets may be a good idea and less work in the long run.

-jo

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:27 PM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> any updates on this topic. Working on ArchLinux with latest Gtk and 
> darktable is more or less unusable with the broken appearance.
>
> Regards
> Karsten
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2016 9:01:25 PM CEST Normand Fortier wrote:
>> Of course, silly me, I do not get the warnings after correcting the 
>> css file... So no more warnings but appearance does not change.
>>
>> Le 2016-04-11 20:47, Owen Mays a écrit :
>> > I get the warnings when I launch darktable (no options) from the 
>> > command line. The warnings show up in the terminal window.
>> >
>> > -Owen
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Normand Fortier
>> >
>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >     A silly question, but how did you get the warnings? I just
>> >     upgraded to gtk 3.20 (archlinux), if I start darktable with -d all
>> >     I do not get the warnings as part of the output. Anyway I tried
>> >     modifying /usr/share/darktable/darktable.css to correct the
>> >     warnings, but the appearance of darktable does not change (still
>> >     has the large buttons on top).
>> >
>> >     Normand
>> >
>> >     Le 2016-04-10 14:23, Owen Mays a écrit :
>> >         I would be happy to work on a solution if someone could point
>> >         me to a gtk/css reference or guide. I found this:
>> >         
>> > https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget--> >      
>> >    s-wide-separators but all it says is
>> >
>> >         "|GtkWidget:wide-separators| has been deprecated since version
>> >         3.20 and should not be used in newly-written code. Use CSS
>> >         properties on the separator elements to style separators; the
>> >         value of this style property is ignored."
>> >
>> >         Can anyone tell me what the buttons on the top of each module
>> >         are called? (the on/off, presets menu, and reset buttons). It
>> >         looks like their size has been expanded and is pushing
>> >         everything else too large.
>> >
>> >         Thanks,
>> >
>> >         Owen
>> >
>> >         On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Pascal Obry <[email protected]
>> >         <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
>> >
>> >         <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>> >             Le dimanche 10 avril 2016 à 12:40 -0500, Owen Mays a écrit :
>> >             > I have created an issue in redmine:
>> >         http://redmine.darktable.org/issu
>> >
>> >             > es/10990
>> >             > Let me know if there is more information that would 
>> > be
>> >
>> >         helpful,
>> >
>> >             or if
>> >
>> >             > there is anything else I can test.
>> >
>> >             Nothing more until either someone with Gtk 3.20 step in or my
>> >             GNU/Debian sid move to 3.20 :)
>> >
>> >             --
>> >
>> >               Pascal Obry /  Magny Les Hameaux (78)
>> >
>> >               The best way to travel is by means of imagination
>> >
>> >         http://v2p.fr.eu.org
>> >         http://www.obry.net
>> >
>> >               gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net 
>> > <http://keys.gnupg.net>
>> >
>> >         <http://keys.gnupg.net>
>> >
>> >             --recv-key F949BD3B
>> >
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