heya, On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Roman Lebedev <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Michael Below <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm just a simple user, but I feel it would be a wrong direction for >> darktable to focus on widget-writing. > And we feel it is wrong to add new crutches after every [few] new gtk > releases. > I mean, seriously, this is at least the third time they do something > like that, and they are a library... > I, personally, more and more convinced that they are doing that intentionally.
hm, i don't think they're trying to intentionally give us a hard time.. but i also have the feeling that they are going away from being a widget library more towards being a convenience library for gnome applications (which we aren't). this just makes it an increasingly worse fit to our needs. j. > >> IMHO this is an issue of proper packaging: If darktable right now depends on >> GTK <= 3.18, a distribution shouldn't do the upgrade to GTK 3.20 without >> warnings that something might break. >> >> I think the widget design got a lot better in the transition to GTK 3. >> Making good widgets takes a lot of effort, and that doesn't pay off in a >> single program. Instead of specific widgets I'd like to see more development >> in stuff that is photography-specific, be it dual monitor setups (maybe have >> all the darkroom tabs show on the small monitor side by side and the image >> on the big one?), 30bit color, or cool image processing algorithms like the >> perspective correction. >> >> Cheers >> Michael > Roman. > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: johannes hanika [mailto:[email protected]] >> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. April 2016 11:31 >> An: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Betreff: Re: [darktable-user] Upgrading to GTK 3.20 ruins all menus (at >> least in darkroom) >> >> hi, >> >> i guess you could bother the gtk guys about that, but i doubt it would do >> anything. i'm tempted to say that doing it the blender way and just writing >> our own widgets may be a good idea and less work in the long run. >> >> -jo >> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 9:27 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> any updates on this topic. Working on ArchLinux with latest Gtk and >>> darktable is more or less unusable with the broken appearance. >>> >>> Regards >>> Karsten >>> >>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 9:01:25 PM CEST Normand Fortier wrote: >>>> Of course, silly me, I do not get the warnings after correcting the >>>> css file... So no more warnings but appearance does not change. >>>> >>>> Le 2016-04-11 20:47, Owen Mays a écrit : >>>> > I get the warnings when I launch darktable (no options) from the >>>> > command line. The warnings show up in the terminal window. >>>> > >>>> > -Owen >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Normand Fortier >>>> > >>>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > A silly question, but how did you get the warnings? I just >>>> > upgraded to gtk 3.20 (archlinux), if I start darktable with -d all >>>> > I do not get the warnings as part of the output. Anyway I tried >>>> > modifying /usr/share/darktable/darktable.css to correct the >>>> > warnings, but the appearance of darktable does not change (still >>>> > has the large buttons on top). >>>> > >>>> > Normand >>>> > >>>> > Le 2016-04-10 14:23, Owen Mays a écrit : >>>> > I would be happy to work on a solution if someone could point >>>> > me to a gtk/css reference or guide. I found this: >>>> > >>>> > https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget--> > >>>> > s-wide-separators but all it says is >>>> > >>>> > "|GtkWidget:wide-separators| has been deprecated since version >>>> > 3.20 and should not be used in newly-written code. Use CSS >>>> > properties on the separator elements to style separators; the >>>> > value of this style property is ignored." >>>> > >>>> > Can anyone tell me what the buttons on the top of each module >>>> > are called? (the on/off, presets menu, and reset buttons). It >>>> > looks like their size has been expanded and is pushing >>>> > everything else too large. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Owen >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Pascal Obry <[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] >>>> > >>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>> > Le dimanche 10 avril 2016 à 12:40 -0500, Owen Mays a écrit : >>>> > > I have created an issue in redmine: >>>> > http://redmine.darktable.org/issu >>>> > >>>> > > es/10990 >>>> > > Let me know if there is more information that would >>>> > be >>>> > >>>> > helpful, >>>> > >>>> > or if >>>> > >>>> > > there is anything else I can test. >>>> > >>>> > Nothing more until either someone with Gtk 3.20 step in or my >>>> > GNU/Debian sid move to 3.20 :) >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > >>>> > Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) >>>> > >>>> > The best way to travel is by means of imagination >>>> > >>>> > http://v2p.fr.eu.org >>>> > http://www.obry.net >>>> > >>>> > gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net >>>> > <http://keys.gnupg.net> >>>> > >>>> > <http://keys.gnupg.net> >>>> > >>>> > --recv-key F949BD3B >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > __________________________________________________________________ >>>> > __________> >>>> > darktable user mailing list >>>> > to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>> > >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > <mailto:darktable-user%[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > <mailto:darktable-user%[email protected] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > <mailto:darktable-user%[email protected]>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > __________________________________________________________________ >>>> > __________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail >>>> > to >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > <mailto:darktable-user%[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ______________________________________________________________________ >>>> > ______ darktable user mailing list >>>> > to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > <mailto:darktable-user%[email protected]> >>>> > >>>> > ___________________________________________________________________ >>>> > _______ __ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail >>>> > to >>>> > [email protected] >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>> _______ >>>> darktable user mailing list >>>> to unsubscribe send a mail to >>>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> ______ >>> darktable user mailing list >>> to unsubscribe send a mail to >>> [email protected] >>> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected] >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected] >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected] > ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected]
