Hi Dave, and thanks for your elaborate reply on this. This is exactly
what I mean. It shortens the workflow tremendously. I sometimes do sport
events or events for a university. I could copy paste the base settings
of one image to all others, then quickly run through the rest to make
slight adjustments where needed, export and away they are to whoever
needs them :).
By the way, the 'Detail' slider is from the Local Contrast module.
Op 10-07-18 om 23:50 schreef Coding Dave:
I strongly support kneops with his Idea - its similar to an Idea I had
in mind for a longer time:
In reality the options darktable offers make it a nice tool for
experts and a horrible tool for beginners. For people that did not
start with an easy to use program like LR it is even harder because
the learning curve is so high.
A power user would probably need all the options of each darktable
module whereas an beginner needs only the most fundamental stuff. I
see a continuum here with the expert on one side and the beginner on
However, darktable has so many modules, options, effects, workflows,
and a variety of combinations that the learning curve is quite hard
for beginners. And remember the pareto principle. You could say that
with 20% of darktable you can already get 80% of the results and for
the last 20% you would require to use 80% more - you know what I'm
Lets be honest, neither you always need all the sliders nor is the
useability from darktable extraordinary well:
Sometimes it would be better if you only have the minimum necessary.
It would be nice to collect these and place them all in one common
place. Im not talking about reducing darktable and removing
possibilities. No way - darktable lives from its feature rich
implementation although feature-rich is like contradictionary to
ease-of-use and useability.
The only thing I suggest is to extract (link, not copy) the most
important sliders from other modules into one meta module that lists
them. This meta module would be a feature wise abstraction by only
offering the most important feature of a module. This would be very
very helpful for beginners and quick edits. Of course some poweruser
would be required to suggest the list of sliders that is to be shown
there by default. In a second step adding/removing sliders in the
meta-module similar to the favourite menu would make the program even
more flexible and user-friendly.
When we look at the modules kneops has extracted his favorite
meta-module we can see that many options are like the critical
features, some are compensation/adjustment values, and some are expert
settings anyhow (like the blending - how often do you deal with that?
If you work with 40 modules I bet you are not using 40 blend options
- *UI diagram*
- auto, pick black, pick medium gray, pick white
- clipping threshold
= white balance
= contrast brightness saturation
= shadows and highlights
- white point adjustment
- soften with
- shadows color adjustment
- highlights color adjustment
= crop and rotate
- *angle* (rotate)
- automatic cropping
- *amount* (sharpen)
= no idea where "detail" comes from
Here we have ~40 lines of options/sliders, only 11 I would rate are
the core features, we have a selection in one module that comes from 8
different modules from different module columns, and 5 options are
"blend" (how often do you need that? I love that but honestly I use
the modules mostly without blend).
Usually these feature listed above are spread over several modules and
you have to search for them before you find them. The search alone
across several module columns is time intensive. Having the modules
expanded is wasting space, opening and closing them manually is time
Imagine your editing procedure to start with the quick-adjustments on
the meta-menu. Imagine you have many of your most important features
available (linked) there and are quickly done with a rough edit.
Imagine you realize you need more options like for example the
compress slider of the shadows and highlights. Imagine you are opening
the module and you see the sliders therein have the same values as
they are on the meta module. Wouldn't that simplify your workflow and
speeding you up without stopping you at any point?
For sure I am missing many very important features you are using
regularly. I just try to share my vision. Imagine you can add your
features easily and are able to customize your own copy of darktable
to your linkings.
Am Di., 10. Juli 2018 um 13:01 Uhr schrieb kneops <kne...@gmail.com
I already did :) You've seen the screenshot I put in my first mail?
Op 10-07-18 om 12:45 schreef Anders Lund:
> You could use the favourite modules feature to collect the basics :)
> tirsdag den 10. juli 2018 10.51.57 CEST skrev kneops:
>> After Bruce let us know he is doing some tutorials on DT 🙂and
>> that the UI is sometimes so complex that tutorials are really
>> this is a way I think DT could be made simpler for novice users
>> quick edits, especially handy for photographers who shoot press
>> and have to deliver quick (like I have to do sometimes).
>> At this moment these are among my favorite tools:
>> But now I have to open sharpness to sharpen, then open contrast
>> contrast, then open white balace for temperature, than back to
>> to add saturation etc.
>> Why not add a Quick Tab with only sliders like this.
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