That's easily fixed AL, time to read the manual (or book) a bit.  No need to 
spend hours on each photo as there is automation available for applying 
flexible edit sets (not just a single 'perfectly clear' effect) to multiple 
images in one hit.

Yet if dt images are 'flat and grey' you have something wrong so I wouldn't 
bother.  The offer still stands to try and fix that for you if you post the 
images as requested earlier.

Rob.

-----Original Message-----
From: Аl Воgnеr [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 19 April 2013 11:33
To: Rob Z. Smith
Cc: 'Pascal de Bruijn'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Darktable-users] Some features compared to Aftershot Pro

Am Fr, 19 Apr 2013 08:47:56 CEST schrieb Rob Z. Smith:

> That said the 'perfectly clear' auto-optimization might be rather
> nice, at least if it anywhere near as good as the 'relight' in
> lightzone I used a while back it could be.  I know that this isn't the
> direction of darktable - but it was still nice.  Actually very nice,
> usually, on many photographs.  The effect was a combination of obvious
> exposure/contrast fiddling but also tone mapping and shadow/highlight
> processing, now that lightzone have folded the source for this has
> been published - there again  I'm sure it doesn't do anything dt can't
> but just has the auto optimisation bit.

I think too, that dt can do anything that "perfectly clear" of ASP does, even 
better, but it is a question of time if you have a series of hundreds of photos 
(as usual).

If you want to optimize 1 very important photo and if it is worth to spend 1-2 
hours for 1 photo, than you will get the best result doing everything manually. 
Ok, the time depends on the experience with the image processing programm. I 
usually spent 1 minute for 1 photo with ASP and "perfectly clear", but I am 
willing to spend more time, but not
1 hour for 1 photo.

These photos eg did _not_ get a _lot_ better with "pefectly clear"
http://www.bognerart.eu/index.php/2012-12_gnigler_krampuslauf_2012
(available light) although I tried a lot with Aftershot, it was hard to get the 
colors of the street light better. If I am experienced with dt, I will try them 
again.

But there are a lot of other series including from old photos which have been 
improved a _lot_ by "perfectly clear" automatically, eg 
http://www.bognerart.eu/index.php/2011-09_krypta_im_salzburger_dom
(available light)
http://www.bognerart.eu/index.php/010637_arabische_wueste (taken from a
plane)

If you have hundreds of photos and you do not have a lot of time, since the 
photos are needed ASAP from someone else (someone mentioned wedding 
photography, but there are a lot of other situations, eg sport, events, aso), 
you have to look for something which speeds the process. Ok you don't get 100% 
with auto optimisation, but if the automatic result is a lot better than the 
original shot looks, it is worth to use it and rarely I got garbage with 
"Perfectly clear".

So I would be very happy, if there is something that makes the workflow faster, 
but of course this is my wish and the priorities have to be set by the 
developers. I am not able to code this, but I am willing to help if I can, eg 
with testing.


--
Αl


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