Hi, Yes on the latest debian stable this same issue happened to me and I
had to follow this same process. I do understand about testing being
sometimes broken and agree with your points I was mainly testing it out
and reporting this so it could be fixed for the future release and was
not aware that this issue also exists in testing until I tried it. Nick
Gawronski
On 3/24/2026 6:29 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 10:30:54AM -0400, Chevelle wrote:
Nick, try typing 'amixer' as root and see if it gives you a message like
'host not accessible'. If it does then you could paste the information I
had in the other message into your trouble ticket. Or maybe we need to open
a new issue, I'm not sure.
Hi Chevelle and hi Nick,
Can I respectfully suggest that you only use testing if you can troubleshoot
reliably - with testing and, especially, unstable there may be a lot of
package churn. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :(
Can you reproduce these problems on debian-stable?
Andy
([email protected])
On 3/23/26 4:55 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
Hi, I submitted the logs to this debian Bug#1111121:
installation-reports: Forky debian-installer the same issue exists. Nick
Gawronski
On 3/23/2026 1:58 PM, Chevelle wrote:
Speakup works fine in the console on Debian testing. It is possible
I changed something since I installed it a while back. I assume you
installed the 'espeak' package. Without knowing how you installed
it or what you did, it is hard to troubleshoot remotely.
On 3/23/26 1:10 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
Hi, Yes I totally understand and this is what I meant when I
said that speakup works much better in the console then orca
does in the graphical terminal. My issue is that on Forky, if I
press control and alt and f1 I get no speech from the espeakup
software and when working with the shell I prefer to use the
console and not the graphical terminal application as like I
said before orca will read things that speakup will not as it
reads what updates and not what has already been read. I prefer
working in the text consoles and not the graphical terminals
when I need to use the shell. Nick Gawronski
On 3/23/2026 3:15 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a
console and ORCA only works in the graphical user interface
(GUI) and opening up a text terminal inside the GUI.
New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca
compared with directly opening one of the virtual consoles.
A console refers to the system's low-level text interface,
such as virtual consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6),
which provide direct, full-screen access to the OS kernel
and shell without a graphical environment.
A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which
uses Orca) is a graphical windowed application within a
desktop environment (e.g., opened via Ctrl+Alt+T) that
emulates a console, passing input to a shell and displaying
output.
I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because
it's easy to confuse them but they are two different things.
If everyone already knows this, I apologize, but years ago
I thought orca running GNOME terminal was what people were
talking about when they mentioned the "console". It isn't,
it is more basic than the Graphical User Interface (GUI),
it's running underneath the GUI, underneath Orca. Open it up
as I described in the first paragraph. The Graphical
environment GUI runs in a console, but the other consoles
are available for use. Often F1 is the GUI so I proposed
opening the F3 console. Remember you can only run console
apps and direct commands in a console but you will notice
how much faster it is than the GUI and Orca.
David Ring
On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't think you would want speakup in a terminal.
I am guessing that most people who want Speakup rather than Orca,
call up a
console and run Speakup there.
Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, which is where the
terminal is
running from.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "john doe" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: <[email protected] <mailto:debian-
[email protected]>>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after
installation but
orca does
On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that orca
comes up as normal
> after the installation in mate but if I try to access just the
consoles
> I have no speech from speakup what so ever. This
should be fixed as
> that could really be a mess for some users and orca is not the
best in
> terminal applications.
>
Why according to you, Orca is not working in the terminal?
I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases without problem.
-- John Doe
