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Quoting David Nicol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I have a small challenge-response system that is queried rather than
> being integrated into the system that uses it.  This challenge response
> system ("the RAPNAP database") could be integrated into SPF queries
> without too too too much alteration of a DNS tool such as rbldns.
> 
> Were the debian project to operate a central c/r database of known-good
> sender return address, peer network address pairs, that would be
> a good thing would it not?
> 
> David Nicol

No, absolutely not.

Debian is an open project, it has open mailing lists.  

spam is a huge problem, certainly, but given that apart from LKML, which has an
amazing record for spam/ham ratio, Debian lists have the lowest spam in my mail,
it's a problem that's being well handled already.

I've seen figures as high as 85% of email to Debian lists being spam talked
about.  No more than 1% of that hits my inbox.  That's impressive.  Spam mails
fake headers anyway, a c-r system would not stop the spam, it would just make it
harder for people with real reasons to use the lists to post.

I honestly fail to understand why people are so upset that maybe 1% (certainly a
very low proportion, I don't know the exact figure) of the spam that is sent to
the lists gets through the filters.  From where I stand that's a stunningly good
record.

Cheers,
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Stephen Stafford               | Development and support consultant
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