On Sunday, 29 July 2018 22:14:23 AEST Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 09:30:04AM +0800]: > > > I believe his request might also be considered under §6.1.1, since we're > > > being asked about a policy change. (After talking to Sean in person, he > > > said he intended it under §6.1.3, not §6.1.1, though.) > > > > I think technically it's §6.1.3 because according to the policy team > > delegation, we decide what goes into the policy manual. > > > > But it certainly falls under at least one of §6.1.1 and §6.1.3, and not > > §6.1.4. > > ...Although if we make a policy change in this, it will require > cooperation of the dpkg developers if we don't want to go into 6.1.4 > (which we don't). > > I am explicitly cc:ing Guillem here. Guillem, please take a look at > this bug and give us your PoV!
It's not just the dpkg maintainers, it is also all the maintainers who are using this: $ apt-file search --index-names dsc -x ^/debian/patches/.*\\.series deluge: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series fail2ban: /debian/patches/neurodebian-backport.series filezilla: /debian/patches/debian.series filezilla: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series hexchat: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series libfreenect: /debian/patches/neurodebian-backport.series libxfce4util: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series liferea: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series lilo: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series mate-power-manager: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series mate-terminal: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series mixxx: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series numix-gtk-theme: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series packagekit: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series smuxi: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series tilix: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series xchat: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series The normal mantra is: "policy is to document standard practice", "policy is not a stick to beat maintainers with", "policy changes should (normally) not make packages instabuggy". The current approach is not consistent with Debian's normal processes for dealing with Policy; vendor.series *is* standard practice and packages would be made instabuggy for carrying such files if policy were used as a stick as requested. (I'm not claiming that this is not a misfeature or that as a project we shouldn't be helping maintainers and derivatives to get rid of vendor.series, just that pretending that it's only a policy issue and then using policy as a back door to overrule maintainers is completely the wrong way of doing it and undermines both Policy and TC.) Stuart dd-list for the above: Adrien Cunin <adri2...@ubuntu.com> filezilla Andrew Starr-Bochicchio <a...@debian.org> deluge (U) Arne Bernin <a...@alamut.de> libfreenect (U) Cristian Greco <crist...@debian.org> deluge David Michael Smith <sidic...@gmail.com> liferea Debian Desktop Theme Team <numix-gtk-th...@packages.debian.org> numix-gtk-theme Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org> tilix Debian Multimedia Maintainers <pkg-multimedia- maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org> mixxx Debian Xfce Maintainers <pkg-xfce-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org> libxfce4util xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin Debian+Ubuntu MATE Packaging Team <debian-m...@lists.debian.org> mate-power-manager mate-terminal numix-gtk-theme (U) Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <po...@debian.org> liferea (U) Evgeni Golov <evg...@debian.org> xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (U) Free Ekanayaka <fr...@debian.org> mixxx (U) Gianfranco Costamagna <locutusofb...@debian.org> xchat Jeremy Bicha <jbi...@debian.org> numix-gtk-theme (U) tilix (U) Joachim Wiedorn <joodeb...@joonet.de> lilo John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) Julian Andres Klode <j...@debian.org> packagekit (U) Lionel Le Folgoc <mrpo...@gmail.com> libxfce4util (U) xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (U) Mark Renouf <mark.ren...@gmail.com> libfreenect (U) Martin Wimpress <c...@flexion.org> mate-terminal (U) Matteo F. Vescovi <m...@debian.org> mixxx (U) Matthias Klumpp <m...@debian.org> packagekit tilix (U) Mattia Rizzolo <mat...@debian.org> hexchat Mike Gabriel <sunwea...@debian.org> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) numix-gtk-theme (U) Mirco Bauer <mee...@debian.org> smuxi Nicolas Bourdaud <nicolas.bourd...@gmail.com> libfreenect Paul Brossier <p...@debian.org> mixxx (U) Paul Gevers <elb...@debian.org> liferea (U) Petr Baudis <pa...@ucw.cz> mate-power-manager (U) Stefano Karapetsas <stef...@karapetsas.com> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) Vangelis Mouhtsis <vange...@gnugr.org> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) Victor Seva <vs...@debian.org> smuxi (U) Wences Arana <ara...@debian.org.gt> mate-terminal (U) Yaroslav Halchenko <deb...@onerussian.com> fail2ban libfreenect (U) Yves-Alexis Perez <cor...@debian.org> libxfce4util (U) xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (U) -- Stuart Prescott http://www.nanonanonano.net/ stu...@nanonanonano.net Debian Developer http://www.debian.org/ stu...@debian.org GPG fingerprint 90E2 D2C1 AD14 6A1B 7EBB 891D BBC1 7EBB 1396 F2F7
