On Sunday, 29 July 2018 22:14:23 AEST Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 09:30:04AM +0800]: > > > I believe his request might also be considered under §6.1.1, since we're > > > being asked about a policy change. (After talking to Sean in person, he > > > said he intended it under §6.1.3, not §6.1.1, though.) > > > > I think technically it's §6.1.3 because according to the policy team > > delegation, we decide what goes into the policy manual. > > > > But it certainly falls under at least one of §6.1.1 and §6.1.3, and not > > §6.1.4. > > ...Although if we make a policy change in this, it will require > cooperation of the dpkg developers if we don't want to go into 6.1.4 > (which we don't). > > I am explicitly cc:ing Guillem here. Guillem, please take a look at > this bug and give us your PoV!
It's not just the dpkg maintainers, it is also all the maintainers who are using this: $ apt-file search --index-names dsc -x ^/debian/patches/.*\\.series deluge: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series fail2ban: /debian/patches/neurodebian-backport.series filezilla: /debian/patches/debian.series filezilla: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series hexchat: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series libfreenect: /debian/patches/neurodebian-backport.series libxfce4util: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series liferea: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series lilo: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series mate-power-manager: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series mate-terminal: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series mixxx: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series numix-gtk-theme: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series packagekit: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series smuxi: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series tilix: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series xchat: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin: /debian/patches/ubuntu.series The normal mantra is: "policy is to document standard practice", "policy is not a stick to beat maintainers with", "policy changes should (normally) not make packages instabuggy". The current approach is not consistent with Debian's normal processes for dealing with Policy; vendor.series *is* standard practice and packages would be made instabuggy for carrying such files if policy were used as a stick as requested. (I'm not claiming that this is not a misfeature or that as a project we shouldn't be helping maintainers and derivatives to get rid of vendor.series, just that pretending that it's only a policy issue and then using policy as a back door to overrule maintainers is completely the wrong way of doing it and undermines both Policy and TC.) Stuart dd-list for the above: Adrien Cunin <[email protected]> filezilla Andrew Starr-Bochicchio <[email protected]> deluge (U) Arne Bernin <[email protected]> libfreenect (U) Cristian Greco <[email protected]> deluge David Michael Smith <[email protected]> liferea Debian Desktop Theme Team <[email protected]> numix-gtk-theme Debian GNOME Maintainers <[email protected]> tilix Debian Multimedia Maintainers <pkg-multimedia- [email protected]> mixxx Debian Xfce Maintainers <[email protected]> libxfce4util xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin Debian+Ubuntu MATE Packaging Team <[email protected]> mate-power-manager mate-terminal numix-gtk-theme (U) Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[email protected]> liferea (U) Evgeni Golov <[email protected]> xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (U) Free Ekanayaka <[email protected]> mixxx (U) Gianfranco Costamagna <[email protected]> xchat Jeremy Bicha <[email protected]> numix-gtk-theme (U) tilix (U) Joachim Wiedorn <[email protected]> lilo John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <[email protected]> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) Julian Andres Klode <[email protected]> packagekit (U) Lionel Le Folgoc <[email protected]> libxfce4util (U) xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (U) Mark Renouf <[email protected]> libfreenect (U) Martin Wimpress <[email protected]> mate-terminal (U) Matteo F. Vescovi <[email protected]> mixxx (U) Matthias Klumpp <[email protected]> packagekit tilix (U) Mattia Rizzolo <[email protected]> hexchat Mike Gabriel <[email protected]> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) numix-gtk-theme (U) Mirco Bauer <[email protected]> smuxi Nicolas Bourdaud <[email protected]> libfreenect Paul Brossier <[email protected]> mixxx (U) Paul Gevers <[email protected]> liferea (U) Petr Baudis <[email protected]> mate-power-manager (U) Stefano Karapetsas <[email protected]> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) Vangelis Mouhtsis <[email protected]> mate-power-manager (U) mate-terminal (U) Victor Seva <[email protected]> smuxi (U) Wences Arana <[email protected]> mate-terminal (U) Yaroslav Halchenko <[email protected]> fail2ban libfreenect (U) Yves-Alexis Perez <[email protected]> libxfce4util (U) xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (U) -- Stuart Prescott http://www.nanonanonano.net/ [email protected] Debian Developer http://www.debian.org/ [email protected] GPG fingerprint 90E2 D2C1 AD14 6A1B 7EBB 891D BBC1 7EBB 1396 F2F7
