Holger Levsen <[email protected]> writes: > please forgive me for replying to this old thread. finishing todo entries > here. > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 12:52:06PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> I have some relatively modern machines that I can make use of without >> having to handle non-free software when I install the OS. Including >> Framework Laptop 13 (AMD HX 370), NovaCustom NV56 (I155H), NovaCustom >> NV41 (i7-1260P), MSI Z790-P (i9-14900K), ADLINK Ampere Altra arm64, Dell >> R630 2xE2680v4, and Raptor Talos II ppc64el. I suspect the P550 riscv64 >> is another example, but haven't confirmed it. > > I own a framework 13 myself and this has a non-free firmware ("bios"), so no, > you cannot install a libre system on it
I am writing this on a Framework 13 installed using the Debian Libre images, so it works for me. > without lieing to yourself. Granted, although it depends on perspective I guess. > And then, most usbc powersupplies have a non-free firmwares too, and > most keyboards, mice, external displays as well. oh, and all the SSDs > run nonfree firmwares as well, harddrives too. (and yes, some wlan > adapters too!) Right, we have more work to do. We'll get there. > but sure, Debian is bad for giving the user the freedom to update some > of this crap with newer crap. What I hope to be saying is that Debian can be improved to not force non-free software into users' software supply-chain. There is no technical conflict in allowing that and ALSO allow users the freedom to update their non-free crap. Debian rejected that duality. I've upgraded the BIOS on this framework laptop using fwdupdmgr from Debian. I've installed the firmware-amd-graphics package to get better graphics. That is my decisions as a user, not a decision from Debian to put blobs into my installer images. That is the difference between user-controlled decisions and external subjugation. I am frustrated that Debian surrendered to non-free advocates, and I'm sure that frustration come out as "Debian is bad" and that this hurts. I am sorry for that. I felt hurt when the non-free-firmware decision were taken, and went on vacation from Debian and migrated to Trisquel. With Debian Libre I am exploring migrating back to Debian. A kind interpretation of a statement "Debian is bad" may be "Debian can be improved", and I hope to contribute to that. Hugs, /Simon
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