Hi,
On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 08:19:58PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
Thanks for engaging, at last. However:
Reinhard Tartler writes ("Re: I will no longer upload to NEW"):
First, I want to emphasize that this tool was introduced as a
good-faith initiative from within our team, aimed at increasing
transparency and sharing the heuristics we see during
reviews. However, we regret that it was deployed without the broader
coordination, discussion, or community input that a change of this
visibility clearly warranted.
I'm pleased that you have apparently recognised that you overstepped,
although it's bizaree to say "we regret that it was deployed" - as if
someone else did it! The right wording is "we apologise that we ...".
That is like a teacher complaining about the way an apology or
explanation was given. I don't think that's appropriate towards a peer.
That's not good enough. If you accept, as you apparently do, that it
was wrong to deploy this without consultation, then the logical
consequence is that it should be turned off until the consultation has
happened!
That is your opinion, other might see that differently.
Note that the GR text requires *consensus" (see quote below), not
merely consultation. It seems very clear that there is not and
probabloy never will be consensus in favour of sending these reports
to all uploaders to NEW. [1]
We can discuss whether a single mail for one NEW upload might "affect" a
contributor.
So, according to the GR, this deployment must be reversed.
I disagree. We didn't have consensus about BTS or other dak mails.
Those things are all quoted as examples. Hence the use of "such as".
"Such as" means that other similar things, falling within the
definition, are covered, even if not explicitly listed.
That's splitting hairs. You're trying to twist an election result that
didn't go your way to fit your own agenda. Please note that sending the
mail is just a strawman being used here. The REAL goal is to forbid the
DFSG team from using an LLM at all. You're just holding on to to mail
because that's easier to grasp.
This is not a high school debate club. We're trying to build an
operating system here.
Greetings
Marc
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