Quoting Tobias Frost (2026-11-09 14:55:22) > Am 9. November 2026 13:14:53 UTC schrieb Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]>: > >Quoting Tobias Frost (2026-11-09 12:26:38) > >> Am 9. November 2026 08:38:41 UTC schrieb Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]>: > >> >Quoting Ansgar 🙀 (2026-11-09 09:21:29) > >> >I have abosolutely no idea who in the Debian project you are describing > >> >as wanting to kick anyone else out of Debian. > >> > >> Am 9. November 2026 08:38:41 UTC schrieb Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]>: > >> >Quoting Ansgar 🙀 (2026-11-09 09:21:29) > >> >I have abosolutely no idea who in the Debian project you are describing > >> >as wanting to kick anyone else out of Debian. > >> > >> Ian was directly calling for disciplinary action, at least that's how I > >> read his remarks. I'm unfortunately also failing to see much evidence of > >> "Assume good faith" towards the DFSG Team in his message, but maybe that's > >> just me not being a native English speaker. > > > >Yes, Ian demanded our leader to "at the very least very strongly > >criticise" which I fail to read as Ian wanting to kick anyone out of > >Debian. > > > >For the record and avoidance of any possible doubt, I do not wish for > >or demand that anyone be kicked out of Debian. Not now nor ever before. > > > > > > - Jonas > > > > I read Ian's remarks differently. Asking who should be referred to CT or DAM, > even under the guise of a hypothetical question, is in my reading clearly > suggesting disciplinary action.
I don't understand what it is you read differently than me: I agree with you that Ian demands disciplinary action. > I also find his choice of wording quite telling: the hypothetical framing and > repeated rhetorical questions give his accusations a veneer of procedural > neutrality, while the implications are anything but neutral. Combined with > his categorical assertion that this is a conduct violation and his demand > that Sruthi strongly criticise the team, I find it difficult to read this as > merely a good-faith appeal for accountability. > > But, again, perhaps that's just me, as a non-native English speaker. I am a non-native english speaker as well. It seems to me that we agree in how we read Ian. Question remain in how we understand what we read - which is what you reacted to in this subthread and what I find horrible: Is it your understanding that Ian wants anyone be kicked out of Debian? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ * Sponsorship: https://ko-fi.com/drjones [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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