On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 01:50:27PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 11:32:16AM +0100, Sylvain LE GALL wrote: > > I can't understand the position about removing non-free. I was thinking > > that it was in social contract. Removing non-free is non sense. I have > > seen in debian-devel a thread about "top 5 things you want in debian". > > All is about : mplayer, java... All non-free. To my mind, if we remove > > No, last time I saw a dicussion about it, mplayer turned out to be free > now (obvioiusly the same doesn't apply for codecs). Regarding java, > there exists free implementation of it: gcj. Anyway this is not the > point of the discussion.
I have more hope on kaffe personally. gcj is a byte like ocamlopt, while kaffe is a virtual machine. and bytecode related stuff. > > Last but not least : regarding the progress of GFDL issue, if we remove > > non-free we will have a "100% documentation less" distribution. It is > > This is not our problem, it's a GNU one, and is completely unrelated > with the decision of dropping non-free. This decision should be taken > for philosophical reasons, not for fears of loosing users. Anyway read > below. > > Now, my position. I haven't followed the discussion on debian-vote, but Lucky you. It is over 800 mails right now. > I'm totally in favour of dropping non-free out of debian. At the same > time I'm also quite sure that this will change just a bit the amount of > feature available to the final users. > > The apt system is structured in such a way that you can use any > repository you want. Splitting non-free out of debian will simply imply > that debian machines wont host non-free packages anymore. We will > probably see the creation of something like non-free-debian.org which > will ship all those packages. All the users willing to use non-free > packages will just have to add the relevant lines in their sources.list. And what about the BTS, and other developer infrastructures ? And in particular, does that mean that we will drop ocaml-doc, ocaml-books-en and ocaml-books-fr ? > It's just a matter of standardizing a well-known repository of non-free > packages and move it out of debian. Really. Yeah, except the burden will be on the developers of non-free stuff, which have more interesting things to do with their time. Friendly, Sven Luther
