Hola a todos,
vamos a ver,
Antonio M. S�nchez P�rez wrote:
Susana Sotelo Docio escribi�:
si no aceptas
la licencia, tienes que devolver TODO el aparato,
Bueno... Pero al menos podr� borrar el XP sin que la BIOS o algo
inutilice el cacharro? Perd�n por la ingenuidad de la pregunta, pero
es que ya me espero cualquier cosa.
Sin problemas, vamos yo no me imagino que problemas vas a tener, la
BIOS no creo que te la toque, por mucho miedo que intenten meter,
adem�s no tiene mucho sentido, si actualizas la BIOS perderias los
cambios que te haya podido hacer el XP o sea, que por ahi no van los
tiros. Yo le� en su dia, que lo que hacia si no actualizabas o no te
registrabas, o no se que, era que no dejaria seguir usando XPoom, pero
vamos que no debe funcionar muy bien cuando ya anda pirata por ah�.
Al menos no me obligar�n a actualizarme dentro de 1 a�o, cuando M$
saque la siguiente versi�n de su �distribuci�n�
�Cuidado, que van a ir a tu casa con metralletas y fusiles de asalto
para que te actualices! ;-P
Lo del iBook no creas que no lo pens�, pero me dio miedo de que
fuera m�s dif�cil encontrar una distribuci�n de linux que no fuera
para intel... En fin, que de todas maneras ya la gracia est� hecha.
Es una preciosidad, pero ahora a mi me ha dado por el hermano mayor,
es un sue�o... dicen que se le ilumina el teclado.. �azul!, y que
tiene pantalla panoramica, y grabadora de dvd slot-in y....
Por cierto, dijiste antes que habias encontrado una tienda que
instalaban debian, �no sera id+agora? �Sigue esa gente en la brecha?
Hacian una versi�n de debian, la citius, je, fue mi primera debian,
citius lite debian 2.1 slink, todav�a la tengo instalada en un IBM
Thinkpad 360C, 486SX 33 MHz, 4 MB de RAM, y con X y todo, me acuerdo
como le metia los paquetes a base de discos, hasta que active PLIP...
�uf, que tiempos! Recuerdo que cuando cambie a Potato en otra m�quina
fue un trauma porque cambio todo el tema de dselect y para indicarle
la ruta de los paquetes deb locales... de hecho me hic� un cede
�ampliacion�... Perd�n, que me pongo a desvariar, y os doy el le�azo a
base de bien.
Emilio J. Padr�n wrote:
Hola, solo un comentario,
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 05:16:20PM +0200, Rub�n G�mez Antol� wrote:
Pues lo que se discutia cuando yo lo mire, precisamente era que
podia ser ilegal vender hardware y software de una manera
indisoluble, ya que son cosas separadas. Lo que argumentaba m$ y las
empresas de venta de equipos era que los ordenadores sin los s.o. no
se pueden utilizar. �Alguien que sepa de leyes? Quizas nos aclare algo.
desde luego ese razonamiento no tiene sentido, pues el sistema operativo
podr�as ya tenerlo (por ejemplo si has comprado m�s ordenadores en el
pasado), es como si no te quisieran vender piezas sueltas de un
ordenador y hubiera que comprarlos siempre enteros.
Pues asi lo pintan. He estado revisando por ahi lo que tengo y os voy
a adjuntar, espero que no le moleste a nadie, un archivo que baj� en
su dia de internet, no me pregunteis de donde lo he sacado, porque ni
yo mismo lo se... en aquellos tiempos no gozaba de tarifa plana, asi
que buscaba como un loco, bajaba y despues relajadamente, y
desconectado, leia.
Tambi�n he encontrado una noticia en barrapunto, de esta si os paso el
enlace:
http://barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=01/11/02/0934236&mode=thread&threshold=
es muy posible que la p�gina que os he adjuntado sea consecuencia de
alg�n enlace de la noticia esta.
De todas formas, si quereis, puedo bucear algo mas entre mis
�recuerdos� a ver si hay algo mas.
Por otro lado, alguien dijo que los port�tiles cl�nicos eran de dudosa
calidad, y estaba interesado en saber hasta que punto eso es cierto, ya
que estaba mirando uno. Yo siempre o� cosas buenas de marcas como Ahead
o Airis. �Por qu� iba a ser peor un portatil cl�nico que uno de marca,
comparativamente hablando respecto a los sobremesa? �Es peor en el caso
de los port�tiles? �Compensa atarse a una marca?
Pues mira no se, pero de Airis te podria hablar yo, que de hecho tuve
uno y lo devolv�. Es curiosa la mente, me he acordado hace un rato,
pero ese Airis lo compre sin s.o., el caso es que no pude hacer andar
las X, estaba empe�ado en que era problema del monitor y no del
procesador gr�fico (SIS), y como no me lo resolvieron ni el servicio
t�cnico de Airis, un 906 por cierto que no quis� despues ni mirar la
factura de la llamada, ni el servicio t�cnico de donde lo compre, una
conocida compa�ia, y bastante importante, de aqui de Almer�a, pues lo
devolv�. Creo que he tenido mala suerte con los portatiles, ya os he
contado lo de Dell.
Pero el portatil en si parecia bastante solido, y con muy buena pinta.
Personalmente opino que los clonicos estan ganando bastante, sobre
todo son mas asequibles. El a�o pasado, si mal no recuerdo, hubo una
discusi�n en esta lista tambi�n al respecto, puedes buscarla si
quieres, se vertieron opiniones para todos los gustos.
Saludos.
Bueno, pues ya esta, que menudo pe�azo que os he liado.
Me voy a dormir que ya toca, hoy es mas pronto que otras veces, je ;-D
Salud y Revoluci�n.
Lobo.
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