On 2016-12-07 23:45:24 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 07 December 2016 14:55:40 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > > > my position remains the same: > > > > > > aptitude is poorly designed. > > > > > > > > > > Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help anyone, not even you. > > > > > You don't like Aptitude. We get the message. So don't use Aptitude. > > > > > > > > And what do you propose instead? > > > > > > I don't use Sid, so haven't tested out which package managers are good > > > for it when there are problems, but how about looking at apt or apt-get? > > > Ben says that he has great success with apt-get. Apt-get is much less > > > aggressive than aptitude - but less fully featured. > > > > > > If I use aptitude with a large number of upgrades, I try to break it up. > > > At the very least I do > > > # aptitude update > > > #aptitude -s safe-upgrade > > > # aptitude safe-upgrade > > > # aptitude -s full-upgrade > > > # aptitude full-upgrade > > > > Sorry for the late reply, but all these may remove important packages, > > i.e. they have the same issues. > > Don't let them - that is the point of the -s.
The -s is actually not necessary since if a package is to be removed, the user may still refuse. Safe, but still annoying as this requires a manual handling. > safe-upgrade is specifically not supposed to remove anything at all, > important or otherwise. Perhaps this is better now, but a few months ago: ypig:~> aptitude safe-upgrade -s The following packages will be REMOVED: gmp-ecm{u} 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 8 not upgraded. Well, the bug is now claimed to be fixed: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819636 But since, I've still had problems with the UI. One problem is that safe-upgrade is apparently missing from the UI. > And have you looked into apt and apt-get? They have there own issues, but mainly limitations: no UI to exclude individual packages from an upgrade (e.g. because of a serious bug), no support for frozen packages (a feature from aptitude). -- Vincent Lefèvre <vinc...@vinc17.net> - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)