Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS

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Probably, but if so, they're not doing their job.  We need an organization that is less ivory tower and more proactive in enforcing standards and best practices. Darin.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete McNeil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS Isn't the IETF supposed to be this body? _M At 09:14 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: I would agree with this type of governing body.  One that sets standards like RDNS entries and what they mean.    < pessimistic rant> But it is still up to each mail admin(s) to implement an anti-spam policy.  And the history of governing bodies is such that only the biggest players have a voice.  This would probably mean that AOL, Earthlink, RR, Hotmail, etc would be on the governing council�and it would be interpreted to their greatest competitive advantage�and nothing would have changed! </pessimistic rant> Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV  USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hosting Support Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS   This is exactly why I think we should have a some sort of global internet council for setting standards, rather than all of us little guys having to react, after the fact, whenever a large player makes a change.  The global council could maintain a distribution list to help mail admins to keep up with proposed changes and implementation schedules.  This is very similar to any other industry that must keep up with compliance standards.   In some ways this also seems like an unfair competition tactic as it makes the little guys look bad when our customers can't send mail to AOL...it encourages customers to move to the large players to avoid not having mail delivered to their users. Darin.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Holt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS   I know this will stir a few people the wrong way, but�   If so many people are upset that MS is being monopolistic by using their EULA to prevent software from operating, then why don�t those same people get upset at AOL for the internet-nazi-police tactics used to prevent mail from being delivered?   MS just says that you can�t use certain apps on their OS.  AOL says that you can�t deliver mail through mail servers (that control more email than any other on the planet) because they deemed it �bad� through inaccurate, generalized and dare I say �monopolistic� policies.   The lack of complaints about AOL just shows that the MS bashers are not upset about the MS policies (or monopoly), they just want to complain about the big company on the block.  I think if the majority owner of AOL was the richest person on the planet, they would bash AOL.  How short sided!!!   Further, all of the justice dept. proceedings are based on complaints by the competition, not the users.  On the other hand, AOL has thousands of consumer complaints, but very few (if any) complaints by competitors.  It�s obvious that the justice dept. just wants to appease whiny losers like Jim Barksdale and Scott McNealy.  And the MS bashers just fall in line.  Lemmings. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV  USA www.xidix.com 702.319.4349   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AOL and Reverse DNS   Hi,   I just noticed that AOL has stepped up their policies another notch.   They used to say that "AOL  **MAY**" not accept email from servers without Reverse DNS. In the last two weeks, that changed: http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/standards.html   AOL's servers will not accept connections from unsecured systems. These include open relays, open proxies, open routers, or any other system that has been determined to be available for unauthorized use. AOL's mail servers will not accept connections from systems that use dynamically assigned or residential IP addresses. AOL will not deliver e-mail that contains a hex-encoded Universal Resource Locator (URL). (Ex: http://%6d%6e%3f/) AOL's mail servers will reject connections from any IP address that does not have reverse DNS (a PTR record).     Best Regards Andy Schmidt H&M Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:    +1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/