My preference would be for IIS/ASP. PHP adds another installed
application into the equation on a box that really should only be
running IMail. However, I would trust a webserver app from Declude that
would do the job - it would be less prone to vulnerabilities than
IIS/Apache/CF etc. as the internal workings wouldn't be known outside of
Scott's team - i.e. not common and not open source. My 2p's worth.

David
WiSS LImited

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I don't mean to cross you and it is a question out of it's time seeing
as you haven't made any decisions yet but what about functionality and
extensibility of your "proprietary" platform? Are we in for another
IWEBMSG and are you going to hire a whole new team to support coding
features/upgrades for this? I see this as being your expense where you
would have almost none using existing "free" technologies such as IIS.
Remember that you are dealing with Win32 admins here and yes you can't
please all the people all the time but you can sure come close by
injecting your new project into our Win32 subset of experience. What you
could do is just forward to the list the new found bugs and patches for
IIS from Microsoft and other 3rd party security companies for those who
don't keep up-to-date.
*guilty*

Craig.

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JunkMail?



>I agree that the flat files work well for Junkmail itself. However, a 
>web GUI will be very hard to do without the 'masters' kept in a 
>database. Without a database you'll run into file locking problems and 
>it will be harder to deal with single records.

That's why we try stay away from the bleeding edge technology -- there's
a reason they use the word "bleeding".  It will actually be easier for
us to use a flat file than to use a database.

> >  use IIS (a lot of people don't want to use it, for security 
> > reasons).
>
>This is pretty much a moot point as both IIS and Apache have the same 
>security risks. IIS just gets more press.

<G>  We won't use Apache either.

> >  or any special technologies (such as dot NET, ASP, CF, etc.).  We
> would need to create something
> > that would work on all servers, and not have any special 
> > requirements.
>
>That's going to be hard.

Not for us.  <G>

>You really only have two choices that could cover most of the bases. 
>ASP or PHP both are available in the Win and Unix worlds. Win32 admins 
>will prefer ASP.

Sorry, I should have included PHP in that list (which is amazingly
flexible, BTW).  We're not talking about something the typical
pre-bubble "We need to show them something to collect our $10 million
funding" company would produce.  We actually wrote a web scripting
language well before ASP was available, and wrote our first web server
back when people thought that dynamic content on a web page was a web
page that was updated by hand every few hours.

If we require ASP or PHP, we're going to require something that a number
of our customers either don't have or won't have.  Many of our customers
would not even think of installing IIS or Apache on a mailserver.
                                     -Scott

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