Agreed here - we've been working on various white-rules for these
domains and each attempt has failed due to the amount of actual spam
sourced from these servers.
_M

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| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Smith
| Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:54 AM
| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail, Yahoo, MSN, etc...
| 
| 
| I'd stay away from IP's because they can change all of the 
| time. But the problem still is that actual spam comes from those IP's.
| 
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
| Markus Gufler
| > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:48 AM
| > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail, Yahoo, MSN, etc...
| > 
| > 
| > I'm not sure if I'm right with this:
| > Should it be possible to determine a list of IP-ranges from
| > the real outgoung smtp-servers of this popular domains, then 
| > Declude probably can add a new test if this mail (using a 
| > popular from domain) commes from one of this ip-ranges.
| > 
| > Even if this ip-ranges are very wide (Class C or B) a lot of
| > spamming servers forging the recipients adress should be caught.
| > 
| > Markus
| > 
| > 
| > 
| > 
| > > -----Original Message-----
| > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
| Mark Smith
| > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:32 PM
| > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Hotmail, Yahoo, MSN, etc...
| > > 
| > > 
| > > What is everyone doing about Hotmail, Yahoo, Juno and other 
| > > web-based mail systems? It's really a catch-22. Hotmail is so 
| > > frequently listed on RBL's and is a large source of spam but it's 
| > > also a large source of legitimate email.
| > > 
| > > They all seem to fail postmaster and abuse so they're 
| already at 6-8 
| > > points on most peoples Junkmail. You can't whitelist 
| them, and the 
| > > RBL's usually send them over the edge.
| > > 
| > > I use Sniffer so I've thought about adding a rule for hotmail, 
| > > yahoo, etc to subtract the sum of postmaster and abuse and let 
| > > message sniffer do some magic on these sites.
| > > 
| > > Thoughts?
| > > 
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