Sandy, I thought you were an east-coaster...you should get some sleep! <grin>
Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sanford Whiteman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:43 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Mark vs Hold vs Delete > First, if you read my original post, I used two examples to show how > spam patterns can be very different based on the type of domain not > knowing what sort of traffic Goran was seeing and how he might > modify his approach. Do you mean where you say-- > Domains used exclusively for business and don't have much legit > advertising or newsletters being sent are incredibly easy to manage --? The reason that profile didn't provoke comment one way or the other is that it's basically tautological. What you're saying is that a domain that doesn't get too much legit envelope-only mail doesn't get too many FPs on envelope-only mail. That may be informative to someone who knows little about SMTP, but it doesn't need valid statistics to prove it. (Shades of when someone asked on the IMail Forum, "Can I safely disable envelope-only sending? I think it's realy helpful?" Sure, if your users know what that will mean, it'll score a knockout.) On the other hand, a _human_ demographic without a valid sample is a very different type of claim. Eschewing comment on the company profile to point out the biases of the human profile shouldn't be surprising, since I sympathize more with humans than with companies. > [zombie spam] is gender and age biased in terms of content because > illegal products sold and illegal marketing is often performed, and > pills and sex are highly targeted at the male demographic. Yes, a disproportionate amount of spam that has an explicit gender target (say, a pharmaceutical product to be applied to or ingested by men, or porn to be consumed by men of any orientation) targets men. This is not only because spammers (a) _assume_ a significant positive reception of these items by male readers, but also (b) because the products and services offered already existed in disproportionate quantity in the physical world (and, of course, the two factors now fertilize each other in the marketplace). There's also an _implicit_ gendering of other types of spam in the other direction; a social scientist would say that there is no product marketing that is not gendered. But this is essentially off-topic: again, I doubt you will find that the age and gender grouping you mention achieves a _preeminence_ (say, a supermajority) in a valid sample of (American?) e-mail users that explains its being used as the sole human profile in your tutorial. > http://www.informationweek.com/703/03sskno.htm Good coverage! But I don't see working for a hundred-year-old company as comparable to working for a start-up during the bubble; I guess if that advances your side of the bubble argument, I'm not feeling it. I never said or meant to imply that you didn't have bricks-and-mortar experience. --Sandy ------------------------------------ Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/download/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/Release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
