I remember the discussion. I did some testing on the LAST for a week or so and I 
really didn't see much difference.
That said, I'm not adverse to trying it again. Maybe I look into it again.

Looking at your config, I do notice that the Dial Up tests are done in a last hop. 
That's a good idea that I'll probably change this weeked.

I also run through the Fabel RBL as it is advertised as Latin American and Asian. It 
gets about 5% rate, with the DYNA variant almost always spam.

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/04/04 04:39PM >>>
Scott,

It turns out that the DYNA trick wasn't the best method.  Declude will 
skip any IP4R test with DUL/DYNA/DUHL in the name whenever it comes 
across an E-mail that has a local Mail From domain, which zombie 
spammers will often forge.  That was a good idea before Declude 1.76 
introduced the ability to WHITELIST AUTH with IMail 8.x in the event 
that you couldn't whitelist your users by IP.

The good news is that there is a work around using "dnsbl" tests with 
variables which allows you to bypass Declude's behavior.  This will 
definitely improve your hit rate, especially on forging zombie spam 
coming from DUL IP space.  There was a discussion about this about 3 
weeks ago on the list if you are curious about the extended version of 
the explanation.  Here's my updated config for these things showing 
public blacklists so that you can see how it's done:


# DNSBL Tests
MAILPOLICE-HELO/DRES    dnsbl    %HELO%.dynamic.rhs.mailpolice.com    
127.0.0.2    2    0
NJABL-HELO/DRES-B    dnsbl    %HELO%.dynablock.njabl.org        
127.0.0.3    8    0


# RHSBL Tests (lookup of E-mail domain)
MAILPOLICE-BULK        rhsbl    bulk.rhs.mailpolice.com            
127.0.0.2    6    0
MAILPOLICE-PORN        rhsbl    porn.rhs.mailpolice.com            
127.0.0.2    6    0
MPBL-RHSBL        rhsbl    mpbl.mailpure.org            127.0.0.10    
15    0
RFC-BOGUSMX        rhsbl    bogusmx.rfc-ignorant.org        127.0.0.8    
1    0
RFC-DSN            rhsbl    dsn.rfc-ignorant.org            127.0.0.2    
1    0
RFC-NOABUSE        rhsbl    abuse.rfc-ignorant.org            
127.0.0.4    1    0
RFC-NOPOSTMASTER    rhsbl    postmaster.rfc-ignorant.org        
127.0.0.3    1    0
SORBS-BADCONF        rhsbl    rhsbl.sorbs.net                
127.0.0.11    3    0


# DUL Lists (last hop only)
MAILPOLICE-REV/DYN    dnsbl    %REVDNS%.dynamic.rhs.mailpolice.com    
127.0.0.2    0    0
DNSRBL-DYN        dnsbl    %IP4R%.dun.dnsrbl.net            127.0.0.3    
0    0
NJABL-DYN-A        dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.njabl.org            
127.0.0.3    0    0
NJABL-DYN-B        dnsbl    %IP4R%.dynablock.njabl.org        
127.0.0.3    0    0
SORBS-DYN        dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.sorbs.net            
127.0.0.10    0    0


# Relay Lists (staggered scoring per hop)
AHBL-PROXIES(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.ahbl.org            
127.0.0.3    3    0
AHBL-PROXIES(ALL)    ip4r    dnsbl.ahbl.org                127.0.0.3    
1    0
BLITZEDALL(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org        
127.0.0.6    5    0
BLITZEDALL(ALL)        ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org            
127.0.0.6    2    0
DSBL(LAST)        dnsbl    %IP4R%.list.dsbl.org            127.0.0.2    
5    0
DSBL(ALL)        ip4r    list.dsbl.org                127.0.0.2    2    0
FIVETEN-MISC(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.blackholes.five-ten-sg.com    
127.0.0.9    3    0
FIVETEN-MISC(ALL)    ip4r    blackholes.five-ten-sg.com        
127.0.0.9    1    0
FIVETEN-MULTI(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.blackholes.five-ten-sg.com    
127.0.0.5    3    0
FIVETEN-MULTI(ALL)    ip4r    blackholes.five-ten-sg.com        
127.0.0.5    1    0
NJABL-RELAYS(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.njabl.org            
127.0.0.2    3    0
NJABL-RELAYS(ALL)    ip4r    dnsbl.njabl.org                127.0.0.2    
1    0
ORDB(LAST)        dnsbl    %IP4R%.relays.ordb.org            *        5    0
ORDB(ALL)        ip4r    relays.ordb.org                *        2    0
SORBS-HTTP(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.sorbs.net            
127.0.0.2    4    0
SORBS-HTTP(ALL)        ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                
127.0.0.2    2    0
SORBS-MISC(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.sorbs.net            
127.0.0.4    4    0
SORBS-MISC(ALL)        ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                
127.0.0.4    2    0
SORBS-SMTP(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.sorbs.net            
127.0.0.5    4    0
SORBS-SMTP(ALL)        ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                
127.0.0.5    2    0
SORBS-SOCKS(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.sorbs.net            
127.0.0.3    4    0
SORBS-SOCKS(ALL)    ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                127.0.0.3    
2    0
NJABL-PROXIES(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.njabl.org            
127.0.0.9    6    0
NJABL-PROXIES(ALL)    ip4r    dnsbl.njabl.org                
127.0.0.9    2    0
NJABL-MULTI(LAST)    dnsbl    %IP4R%.dnsbl.njabl.org            
127.0.0.5    3    0
NJABL-MULTI(ALL)    ip4r    dnsbl.njabl.org                127.0.0.5    
1    0


# Spam Traps (staggered scoring per hop)
SPAMCOP(LAST)        dnsbl    %IP4R%.bl.spamcop.net            
127.0.0.2    4    0
SPAMCOP(ALL)        ip4r    bl.spamcop.net                127.0.0.2    
2    0
XBL(LAST)        dnsbl    %IP4R%.sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org        
127.0.0.4    6    0
XBL(ALL)        ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org            127.0.0.4    2    0


# Direct Spam Sources (all hops)
AHBL-SOURCES        ip4r    dnsbl.ahbl.org                127.0.0.4    
5    0
FIVETEN-BULK        ip4r    blackholes.five-ten-sg.com        
127.0.0.4    1    0
FIVETEN-SPAM        ip4r    blackholes.five-ten-sg.com        
127.0.0.2    1    0
FIVETEN-SUPPORT        ip4r    blackholes.five-ten-sg.com        
127.0.0.7    1    0
NJABL-SOURCES        ip4r    dnsbl.njabl.org                127.0.0.4    
7    0
SBL            ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org            127.0.0.2    20    0
SORBS-FORMMAIL        ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                
127.0.0.7    7    0
SORBS-SPAM        ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                127.0.0.6    1    0
SORBS-ZOMBIE        ip4r    dnsbl.sorbs.net                127.0.0.9    
3    0





Scott Fisher wrote:

>I'll post some filters and here are my favorite tests and why:
>
>For reference:  I subject tag at 100, hold at 200 and delete at 300.
>
>1.  SPAMCOP. Use IP number. It had a very impressive May with me. Caught 150,000 out 
>of 170,000 spams, with only about 25 false hits. I weight at 90% of my tag weight. I 
>also use the dyna/all tests so to help minimize on potential false positives.
>
>SPAMCOP-DYNA           ip4r    bl.spamcop.net  127.0.0.2       60      0
>SPAMCOP-ALL            ip4r    bl.spamcop.net  127.0.0.2       30      0
>
>2.  Message Sniffer. Uses entire e-mail to detect spam.
>
>I rate Message Sniffer at 90% of my tag weight except for greymail (code 60) that 
>weighs in at 45%.  Good numbers here, with occasional false positives.
>
>3.  Mailpolice. Works against domain names. Pretty good. I find about 1% false 
>positives, so I'll run my combo filter against a mailpolice-whitelist to remove 
>points.
>
>MAILPOLICE-BULK        rhsbl   bulk.rhs.mailpolice.com         127.0.0.2       0      
> 0
>MAILPOLICE-HELO        dnsbl   %HELO%.dynamic.rhs.mailpolice.com       127.0.0.2 0    
> 0
>MAILPOLICE-REVDNS dnsbl   %REVDNS%.dynamic.rhs.mailpolice.com  127.0.0.2 0     0
>MAILPOLICE-PORN         rhsbl  porn.rhs.mailpolice.com         127.0.0.2       0      
> 0
>
>I then have a filter that assigns 60% to 72% of my tag weight:
>
>MAILPOLICE-COMBO.txt
>MAXWEIGHT      72
>TESTSFAILED    60      CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-BULK
>TESTSFAILED    60      CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-HELO
>TESTSFAILED    72      CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-PORN
>TESTSFAILED    60      CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-REVDNS
>
>4. Spamhaus SBL/XBL. A second IP test. I'll run Dyna/All tests on the CBL and 
>Blitzedall data to minimize false postives. I'll also run some other relay tests so I 
>don't have the XBL stuff weighted over the top. I get about .5% questionable hits on 
>the SBL, and less on the XBL. The XBL is probably my second best test.
>
>SPAMHAUS-SBL   ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org            127.0.0.2       72      0
>XBL-CBL-DYNA   ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org            127.0.0.4       42      0
>XBL-CBL-ALL    ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org            127.0.0.4       18      0
>XBL-BLITZEDALL-DYNA  ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org      127.0.0.6       42      0
>XBL-BLITZEDALL-ALL  ip4r    sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org               127.0.0.6       18     
> 0
>
>These 4 are my best performing hits, and they tend to rely on different aspects of 
>the e-mail, which makes these tests excellent for some combination punishment filter 
>tests.
>
>5.  Punishment tests. Since the above tests can cover different.
>COMBO-Sniffer-Spamcop.txt    (Sniffer-Combo is all results other than 60)
>TESTSFAILED    END     NOTCONTAINS     SNIFFER-COMBO
>TESTSFAILED    50      CONTAINS        SPAMCOP-DYNA
>
>Combo-SBL-Sniffer.txt
>TESTSFAILED    END     NOTCONTAINS     SNIFFER-COMBO
>TESTSFAILED    50      CONTAINS        SPAMHAUS-SBL
>
>Combo-MailPolice-Sniffer.txt
>TESTSFAILED    END     CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-WHITELIST
>TESTSFAILED    END     NOTCONTAINS     SNIFFER-COMBO
>TESTSFAILED    30      CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-COMBO
>
>Combo-Mailpolice-spamcop.txt
>TESTSFAILED    END     CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-WHITELIST
>TESTSFAILED    END     NOTCONTAINS     SPAMCOP-DYNA
>TESTSFAILED    20      CONTAINS        MAILPOLICE-COMBO
>
>I also have combo tests for XBL. Mailpure's zombie's test cover these.
>
>Scott Fisher
>Director of IT
>Farm Progress Companies
>
>  
>
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/04/04 02:35PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>We've seen more and more junk getting through on our servers.  No doubt our 
>config files are not up to date.
>I've downloaded the latest patch with the included config files.
>
>My question:  does everyone run them "stock" or are there particular 
>configs / settings / etc., that people are
>implementing to make Declude even more effective than it is out of the box?
>
>Is there anywhere to download people's various config's (ie. a page where 
>they are posted and shared) or could
>someone either post what they think is key or make specific recommendations 
>as to what to tweak?
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris 
>
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