"if you block ICMP, you break IP.  That's the bottom line, and nobody can
argue that."

Sorry, but I can and will argue with that.  ICMP relies on IP, not the other
way around.  IP works with or without ICMP.  RFC792, which defines ICMP,
states "The purpose of these control messages is to provide feedback about
problems in the communication environment, not to make IP reliable."

It also states that "ICMP is actually an integral part of IP, and must be
implemented by every IP module", but that only means that anything that has
an IP address must also understand ICMP.  It does NOT mean (IMO) that I must
accept ICMP across my firewall.



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At 01:38 PM 7/9/2004, Dan Horne wrote:
>Ah, but you DO recognize that ICMP is a threat, and so you have set 
>access-rules on it.  That was my main point.  And as Sandy pointed out,

Obviously ICMP _CAN_ be a security risk, but so is having your network
connected to the Internet.  I know a lot of admins that block ICMP for a
plethora of reasons.  At this point, this is probably getting a little
off-topic, but in reality, if you block ICMP, you break IP.  That's the
bottom line, and nobody can argue that.  So, everyone does what he/she needs
to do to sleep better at night, and if this includes blocking ICMP, then so
be it...  But I'm gonna have to agree with Scott when he said "I can't ping
you, fix that problem first!!"

-Russ 

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