You laid it out much better than I could. I almost feel like a
traitor after working exclusively with Delphi for so long, and even though I
don't have to "depend" upon programming for my income, ( Thank God! <g> ), I
still feel the same frustration that you do when ever I fires Delphi up!
Now on the 3rd patch which I just put in, D2005 is no better than it was
before! So they made it possible to use the Together support...I'm not in a
position to care about or need such things! And though they also claim to
have speeded up the time it takes to go from design to code and back again,
I just ran the same test I did yesterday and it shaved a mere 2 secs off a
30 sec wait! It did nothing for the loading time at all!
I guess that for a long time I was living under the false impression
that ALL development tools suffered these kinds of problems, but I have been
completely amazed at how well VS runs, how strong it feels to work with, and
how fast it's response to commands time are. And for those who don't know
it, programming can be a real pleasure when you aren't spending 90% of your
time dealing with IDE problems or just sitting on your hands watching the
hourglass do flip-flops!
Now that Chrome has made it possible for me to work in a better IDE
I'm going to take advantage of it. Once I have all my older Win32 projects
put away I will most likely work with VS and Chrome exclusively, but I'm
also going to tackle C# just in case Chrome would get discontinued. As for
the next iteration of Delphi...well they'll have to give it to me because
I'm no longer going to shell out that kind of money for such an inferior
product!
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On Behalf Of Mike Lucek
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:17 AM
To: 'Delphi-Talk Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Ignorance
I've been programming with Delphi since day 1 of its initial release. My
final version was D7 and this is the version I use for quick application
development or maintenance of customers who still have Delphi applications.
Still think D5 was their best release. However, D7 still gives me heartache
with its bugs. I have not bothered upgrading to Delphi 2005 to do .Net for
two reasons; firstly reading all the problems that have been put forward in
this list; secondly I have been using Visual Studio for the past 3 years. I
consider myself as a C# developer now and do not need to be frustrated using
a development tool, such as Delphi 2005 that according to this list is slow
and buggy, whereas Visual Studio works and is fast and gives me no problems.
I once spoke to Danny Thorpe about the VCLxx.bpl errors, he said it was due
to some 3rd party component, I told him that the environment was free of 3rd
party components. This was dismissed as unlikely. How could it be unlikely
as it was occurring and shown to him. I also spoke to the managing director
of a Borland subsidiary about the rising costs of new version updates. His
response was that is "how we make money, we just add some new features".
These responses made me uncomfortable with the company that was supposedly
helping me make an income using their development tool. Maybe the disastrous
Kylix was their focus.
I have moved to the Microsoft thinking as they dictate our development
world, currently we have .Net, sometime in the future they will have dot
something else and will have the development tool long before Borland do
something about it. Borland, in my opinion are in a continual catch up mode
and are delivering a solution that is now not acceptable to developers. We
cannot be their testers and at the same time pay big dollars to upgrade to a
product that is buggy and causes us to waste our time to achieve nothing.
They apparently don't realize that some of us make a living developing
applications and can not afford the time stuffing around advising them of
the numerous bugs in their new release. We cannot deliver solutions to our
customers with the rubbish we have to pay Borland for.
Microsoft have made their tools affordable to the developer and at the same
time provide exceptional resources to support their tools, provide great
database integration etc. Not like Borland who hit us with big upgrade price
for something that doesn't deliver, a crappy Help and very useless
resources.
I read stuff on this list how Delphi is so great and Microsoft is crap,
unfortunately you have to doubt the validity of these arguments, and in all
cases laughable, when the respondent has had no exposure to a MS development
tool.
It is also of interest that I note, a lot a companies that previously used
Delphi are moving away from Delphi. You just have to look at job ads,
"Delphi and C# experience to convert Delphi to C#". Can any one tell me
where Delphi is heading when ads such as this are appearing?
Pascal is a great language, the Delphi IDE was good, but some of us have to
move on, learn a new language and use a new IDE, and in the case of Visual
Studio, is pretty good. I can live with that and am very comfortable with it
as it doesn't cause me frustration of coping with bugs as almost every
release of Delphi has. I have never had the problems in Visual Studio that
Delphi has given me where I have had to use the Task Manager to kill Delphi.
Look at some of the components available for C# and it makes life easier to
work with a tool that delivers solutions quickly without the added heartburn
and frustration. DevExpress is one of those companies.
Microsoft invented Windows and are now providing exceptional affordable
development tools at the fraction of the cost of a Borland bugged program.
Borland's testing must be appalling with what they deliver. Can any one
remember a new release of Delphi that worked to expectations without at
least 2 updates to fix bugs. The first version of Visual Studio worked bug
free. Maybe we are Borland's unpaid testers, but pay for the product to
test.
I don't know when Borland will get the message that some of us will not
tolerate the crap they dish out. I never thought that when I moved from
Microsoft's Visual Basic to Delphi and spending about 11 years with Delphi
that I would return to Microsoft. Unfortunately it has happened, but
fortunately development time with Microsoft has reduced and I don't have to
spend hours figuring if it is my bug or a development tool bug.
Mike
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