I haven't been active on this list for some time, but as I am returning to full-time Delphi programming next month, I though I would jump in.
I haven't yet had the dubious pleasure of using D2005 so I can't comment on it. I have used D1-D7 since Delphi came out but have been making a living from C#/C++ programming for the past 3 years. Your statement that Visual Studio is bug free is so far from my experience that it would appear to be a different product. VS2003 is essentially a service pack for VS2002 but it still has a number of very nasty bugs. I do have to use task manager to kill D7 fairly regully as it has a tendency to hang on shutdown. VS however does many worse things. It regularly deletes components from forms, frequently locks files requiring a VS restart before it can compile them and is incredibly slow changing from design to code and back. I restart it at least once a day as otherwise it will use up so much memory that it slows to a halt. .net produces very slow appearing exes. While the code itself appears to run at a respectable pace, .net forms can take several seconds to paint. We currently are spending a large amount of time trying to speed up our forms so the customers will stop complaining. VS and .net have many good points, the editor is one of the best I have used (the visual designer is one of the worst though) but I will continue to use Delphi for my shareware for now (if only Delphi had garbage collection :( ). Regards Sean --------------------------------------- Sean Cross mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pics Print - The photo printing solution for Windows. http://www.picsprint.com Rental Property Manager: Rental management made easy http://www.Intuitex.com > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lucek > Sent: 23 May 2005 4:17 a.m. > To: 'Delphi-Talk Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Ignorance > > > I've been programming with Delphi since day 1 of its initial > release. My final version was D7 and this is the version I > use for quick application development or maintenance of > customers who still have Delphi applications. Still think D5 > was their best release. However, D7 still gives me heartache > with its bugs. I have not bothered upgrading to Delphi 2005 > to do .Net for two reasons; firstly reading all the problems > that have been put forward in this list; secondly I have been > using Visual Studio for the past 3 years. I consider myself > as a C# developer now and do not need to be frustrated using > a development tool, such as Delphi 2005 that according to > this list is slow and buggy, whereas Visual Studio works and > is fast and gives me no problems. > > > I once spoke to Danny Thorpe about the VCLxx.bpl errors, he > said it was due to some 3rd party component, I told him that > the environment was free of 3rd party components. This was > dismissed as unlikely. How could it be unlikely as it was > occurring and shown to him. I also spoke to the managing > director of a Borland subsidiary about the rising costs of > new version updates. His response was that is "how we make > money, we just add some new features". These responses made > me uncomfortable with the company that was supposedly helping > me make an income using their development tool. Maybe the > disastrous Kylix was their focus. > > I have moved to the Microsoft thinking as they dictate our > development world, currently we have .Net, sometime in the > future they will have dot something else and will have the > development tool long before Borland do something about it. > Borland, in my opinion are in a continual catch up mode and > are delivering a solution that is now not acceptable to > developers. We cannot be their testers and at the same time > pay big dollars to upgrade to a product that is buggy and > causes us to waste our time to achieve nothing. They > apparently don't realize that some of us make a living > developing applications and can not afford the time stuffing > around advising them of the numerous bugs in their new > release. We cannot deliver solutions to our customers with > the rubbish we have to pay Borland for. > > Microsoft have made their tools affordable to the developer > and at the same time provide exceptional resources to support > their tools, provide great database integration etc. Not like > Borland who hit us with big upgrade price for something that > doesn't deliver, a crappy Help and very useless resources. > > I read stuff on this list how Delphi is so great and > Microsoft is crap, unfortunately you have to doubt the > validity of these arguments, and in all cases laughable, when > the respondent has had no exposure to a MS development tool. > > It is also of interest that I note, a lot a companies that > previously used Delphi are moving away from Delphi. You just > have to look at job ads, "Delphi and C# experience to convert > Delphi to C#". Can any one tell me where Delphi is heading > when ads such as this are appearing? > > Pascal is a great language, the Delphi IDE was good, but some > of us have to move on, learn a new language and use a new > IDE, and in the case of Visual Studio, is pretty good. I can > live with that and am very comfortable with it as it doesn't > cause me frustration of coping with bugs as almost every > release of Delphi has. I have never had the problems in > Visual Studio that Delphi has given me where I have had to > use the Task Manager to kill Delphi. > > Look at some of the components available for C# and it makes > life easier to work with a tool that delivers solutions > quickly without the added heartburn and frustration. > DevExpress is one of those companies. > > Microsoft invented Windows and are now providing exceptional > affordable development tools at the fraction of the cost of a > Borland bugged program. Borland's testing must be appalling > with what they deliver. Can any one remember a new release of > Delphi that worked to expectations without at least 2 updates > to fix bugs. The first version of Visual Studio worked bug > free. Maybe we are Borland's unpaid testers, but pay for the > product to test. > > I don't know when Borland will get the message that some of > us will not tolerate the crap they dish out. I never thought > that when I moved from Microsoft's Visual Basic to Delphi and > spending about 11 years with Delphi that I would return to > Microsoft. Unfortunately it has happened, but fortunately > development time with Microsoft has reduced and I don't have > to spend hours figuring if it is my bug or a development tool bug. > > Mike > > > > __________________________________________________ > Delphi-Talk mailing list -> [email protected] > http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/delphi-> talk > > __________________________________________________ Delphi-Talk mailing list -> [email protected] http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/delphi-talk
