Aw nuts you are just being a stirrer.
I actually use D5 and D2007 both a lot for work. So thats my experience – I
greatly prefer D2007.
For me a pro upgrade is $600-700 so thats also true.
The point about Windows updates are:
MS updates Windows still (mind you only XP SP3 onwards now) not because they
want to or like to but because the security holes are so big they would look
really really bad if they didn’t.
What I am saying is do not punish Borland and Embarcadero for making a product
that was reliable and well usable for 10+ years. Reward them by spending a
small amount of money to keep them in business. And into the bargain enjoy a
much better version of Delphi.
Another reason for having the latest is to make use of the XP and Aero theme
support. In my mind, with that you hardly need 3rd party components because
the standard VCL looks so good.
I am grumpy about buying 8 versions of Windows mainly because I couldn’t move
the licences from PC to PC and until windows 7 the OS was pretty crap anyhow.
I have however moved Delphi from PC to PC and been grateful to be able to.
I still have my D5 installation, only once I upgraded I never opened it again
to compile anything. Not once – the new version worked straight away and I
just jumped into it. In my case I jumped from D5 to D2006 with not the
slightest hassle.
To answer the original question, without customers the eventual future is that
it will rather than die it once E gets insufficient revenue from it they will
hopefully open source it. Then good people like Jeremy N and others will
spend time fixing the bugs for free, and people like you will still keep
complaining about unfixed bugs. Hopefully by that stage you will start
helping with the coding.
I come back to my original point – either you spend some time helping to fix
the bugs or you pay for versions where others have done it for you. In the
end someone does need to get rewarded either with money or at least some thanks
and recognition.
Sibelius once said in response to a critic who called his music old fashioned
“No-one ever built a statue of a critic”
John
From: Jolyon Smith
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:07 PM
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials
Ø Well thats nuts.
Which neatly described what followed, rather than what was being replied to....
;)
> you would have to be nuts to want to work in D5 if you spend any time
> programming.
I suggest that is not for you to say on behalf of others. You are free to have
that view for yourself, but if a version of software works well enough for
someone, suggesting that they should pay a not insignificant amount of money
and incur the productivity penalty of having to familiarise with a
significantly different version of the product is presumptive at best and
nonsense at worst.
Ø Pro upgrades are only around 600-700 at the moment anyway
Nope. The poster is deemed unclean and not worthy of upgrade pricing anymore.
New user license required.
I believe this is what Embarcadero are currently calling their “Bog Off”
promotion – Oh no, wait, that’s “BOGOF - Buy One Get One Free”, not “you
haven’t kept upgrading so you can BOG OFF and use Visual Studio instead for all
we care”.
> pro includes pretty much all that was in Enterprise back in D5 days....
Well, you still can’t connect to remote servers using the proprietary DB API.
Doesn’t stop you using ADO of course, which makes the restriction even more
ridiculous imho.
And let’s think about this for a minute... you are suggesting that a version of
the software which contains a bunch of stuff that wasn’t considered necessary
for a particular user back when they bought their licenses and suggesting that
getting those undesired/unnecessary features is a good reason to pay through
the nose to get current now?
> for instance Window 2000 XP (pre SP2) are now out of support
EXCUSE ME?
Every version of Delphi goes “out of support”, in those terms, as soon as the
next version is released. Windows 2000/XP don’t stop working when their
support period ends either, just like Delphi (assuming there is still someone
servicing product activation requests, for the more recent versions), but you
DO still keep getting updates and fixes for MS products, LONG after their
replacement products have been introduced.
Compare and contrast THAT with Delphi.
Just my 0,02
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