I think what Jolyon is saying in a nutshell is that Embarcadero are
missing out on a potentially large market by not providing a cut-down
version for Pascal enthusiasts. A market which Borland captured in the
past with Turbo Pascal.
Its like being forced to buy the combo deal at McDonalds, when all you
really want is a hamburger. Rather annoying. So the response to that has
been to go to Burger King.
I love metaphors.
Todd.
My comments in a lovely purple. ;-)
*From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
*Sent:* Friday, 22 October 2010 8:53 a.m.
*To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
*Subject:* Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials
Ø Aw nuts you are just being a stirrer.
Why is pointing out facts considered stirring?
You obviously have pretty strong feelings about it Jolyon but you
jumped on John pretty hard and if I was him I would certainly feel you
were being deliberately antagonistic. You didn’t just point out facts,
you had an axe to grind.
Ø What I am saying is do not punish Borland and Embarcadero for making
a product that was reliable and well usable for 10+ years. Reward
them by spending a small amount of money to keep them in business. And
into the bargain enjoy a much better version of Delphi.
How about Embarcadero punishing their customers for not having
provided compelling reasons to upgrade?
Aren’t they two sides of the same issue? Either
Embarcadero/Codegear/Borland haven’t added anything to Delphi since
version 5 OR version 5 was so good that you didn’t need any of the
things they added. You believe the former and refuse to accept that
perhaps part of the reason is that v5 was so good. I (and apparently
John) think you are wrong, sure some versions didn’t add anything much
I thought was useful but plenty of versions have added features that
are quite useful. But Delphi 5 was good enough that you could happily
ignore the useful new features and just stick with it (as we did until
very recently). Perhaps you could argue Embarcadero didn’t manage to
add any ‘everyone must have’ features but again that just comes back
to Delphi 5 having such a full feature set and being so functional.
Delphi 4 (which Wallace has) was released in 1998! How many other
software products from 1998 can you still use reliably?
I think Embarcadero limiting the upgrades could have been managed a
little better from a PR point of view but I can perfectly see why they
felt they had to do it.
Ø I am grumpy about buying 8 versions of Windows mainly because I
couldn’t move the licences from PC to PC
What? I bought a Windows XP upgrade to the “Me” that came with a PC I
bought some years ago. I have bought a number of PC’s – some
pre-built and some self assembled - since then but never had to buy
another copy of Windows, I just re-installed my existing XP license.
I’m guessing you have never received an OEM version of Windows then? I
believe most copies of Windows sold are OEM which are locked (in
theory) to the computer they are sold with.
And why do you feel so less inclined to reward Microsoft for making a
reliable, well usable product when doing so costs far, FAR less than
rewarding Borland (who produced a couple of REAL stinkers, products
that were neither reliable nor even barely usable, over the years)
Sounds like John has purchased 8 copies of Windows, you don’t think
that is rewarding them?
Borland blew it in a major way around Delphi 8/2005, no question about
that and I can understand punishing them for it. But at some point it
becomes cutting off your nose to spite your face... anyone who
develops seriously in Delphi needs Delphi to be a viable commercial
product and that means being willing to pony up for some money
occasionally in my opinion.
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