sounds like you were working "gentleman's hours" :) Cameron Hart
Flow Software Limited [Flow] PO Box 302 768, North Harbour P +64 9 476 3569 x910 Auckland 0751, New Zealand M +64 21 222 3569 www.flowsoftware.co.nz <http://www.flowsoftware.co.nz> E [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone. P Please consider the environment before printing this email From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 1:48 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Average Salary I see where you are coming from. But this isn't just a programmer issue. I remember working for a company in Auckland where I was expected to turn up for work at 7am every day and anyone who left the office before 5:30 was "suspect". I was regularly sent to Sydney where I had to be at the airport at 4am for a 7am flight (in those days where 3 hour checkins were required). Spend the entire day in an office or taxi in Sydney, then fly home (never ever put up for the night) where I wouod finally walk into my apartment just after midnight. I was still expected to give a debriefing to everyone at 7am. Yes, that was salary, no overtime, no bonuses, not even a Christmas gift, just salary - and although I had a training budget, I was never allowed to be away from work to attend any training. Training had to be done in my own time, but as I was regularly working through weekends for a customer presentation on Monday, I didn't have any of that stuff. Steve On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Hart <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Salary is "salary" is purely an employers' perspective - for an employee a 80k salary for a job where you end up working 60 hour weeks is worse than a 60k salary working 40hours. as the salary goes up so too does the responsibilities and expectations. consequently the average "on paper" salary is 80k-ish but the "real" salary measured by the return against the effort is a lot less. most people don't just turn off at 5pm and at the least the back of the brain is still churning over the latest issue - have you never woken up with the brilliant fix for an issue you have pondered for a long time? Cameron Hart Flow Software Limited [Flow] PO Box 302 768, North Harbour P +64 9 476 3569 x910<tel:%2B64%209%20476%203569%20x910> Auckland 0751, New Zealand M +64 21 222 3569<tel:%2B64%2021%20222%203569> www.flowsoftware.co.nz <http://www.flowsoftware.co.nz> E [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone. P Please consider the environment before printing this email From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 10:59 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Average Salary Salary is "salary", not hourly rate :) Steve On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Cameron Hart <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: do you want the average "on paper" salary who the "real" salary taking into account the actual hours worked? :) Cameron Hart Flow Software Limited [Flow] PO Box 302 768, North Harbour P +64 9 476 3569 x910<tel:%2B64%209%20476%203569%20x910> Auckland 0751, New Zealand M +64 21 222 3569<tel:%2B64%2021%20222%203569> www.flowsoftware.co.nz <http://www.flowsoftware.co.nz> E [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose it to anyone. P Please consider the environment before printing this email From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2013 8:40 a.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: [DUG] Average Salary Hi Everyone, I was just wondering, what is the average salary for a permanent Delphi developer out there in the marketplace these days? Steve Peacocke Mobile: +64 220 612-611<tel:%2B64%20220%20612-611> Linkedin Professional Profile<http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/steve-peacocke/1/a06/489> _______________________________________________ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with Subject: unsubscribe _______________________________________________ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with Subject: unsubscribe
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