So back on topic There is no meaningful average. It will depend on: - skill level / experience of developer - location - size of company - etc
If you can refine these parameters you'd get better feedback on the likely range. D On 31/07/13 19:29, John C wrote: > Yeah, Steve's email outlines a typical NZ scenario for staff on salary. > I used to work in an environment like that. The later you finished the > more you are respected (never mind what your efficiency for the day was). > > More than some companies are squeezing their staff to the max, looking > at the hours you put in (important to finish late!) but seem blind for > the quality etc of the end product and blind for the fact that they are > actually creating demotivated staff. As most people know, working long > hours usually means that the productivity drops significantly towards > the last hours. Working overtime is therefore in general a very bad > idea. It's much better working 8 hours a day (+/- half an hour) and > start fresh and motivated the following day. If _really_ needed, work > long hours, but only for a few days, max a week. If your boss thinks you > need to work more hours because of the work load and turns to be an > ongoing thing, then there is clearly something seriously wrong with > their management in combination with a lack of staff. And last but not > least, a little reward so once and a while (a small token or taking > staff for lunch, or send them home early) can do wonders, and makes > everybody happy, creating a healthy company. > > John Ch > > *From:*[email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke > *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 1:48 p.m. > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Average Salary > > I see where you are coming from. > > But this isn't just a programmer issue. I remember working for a company > in Auckland where I was expected to turn up for work at 7am every day > and anyone who left the office before 5:30 was "suspect". I was > regularly sent to Sydney where I had to be at the airport at 4am for a > 7am flight (in those days where 3 hour checkins were required). Spend > the entire day in an office or taxi in Sydney, then fly home (never ever > put up for the night) where I wouod finally walk into my apartment just > after midnight. I was still expected to give a debriefing to everyone at > 7am. > > Yes, that was salary, no overtime, no bonuses, not even a Christmas > gift, just salary - and although I had a training budget, I was never > allowed to be away from work to attend any training. Training had to be > done in my own time, but as I was regularly working through weekends for > a customer presentation on Monday, I didn't have any of that stuff. > > > Steve > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Hart > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Salary is “salary” is purely an employers’ perspective – for an employee > a 80k salary for a job where you end up working 60 hour weeks is worse > than a 60k salary working 40hours. as the salary goes up so too does > the responsibilities and expectations. consequently the average “on > paper” salary is 80k-ish but the “real” salary measured by the return > against the effort is a lot less. most people don’t just turn off at > 5pm and at the least the back of the brain is still churning over the > latest issue – have you never woken up with the brilliant fix for an > issue you have pondered for a long time? > > *Cameron Hart * > > > > *Flow Software Limited * > > > > > > Flow > > > > PO Box 302 768, North Harbour > > > > *P * > > > > +64 9 476 3569 x910 <tel:%2B64%209%20476%203569%20x910> > > > > Auckland 0751, New Zealand > > > > *M * > > > > +64 21 222 3569 <tel:%2B64%2021%20222%203569> > > > > www.flowsoftware.co.nz <http://www.flowsoftware.co.nz> > > > > *E * > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain > privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended > recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose > it to anyone. > > PPlease consider the environment before printing this email > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke > *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 10:59 a.m. > > > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List > > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Average Salary > > Salary is "salary", not hourly rate :) > > > Steve > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Cameron Hart > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > do you want the average “on paper” salary who the “real” salary taking > into account the actual hours worked? J > > *Cameron Hart * > > > > *Flow Software Limited * > > > > > > Flow > > > > PO Box 302 768, North Harbour > > > > *P * > > > > +64 9 476 3569 x910 <tel:%2B64%209%20476%203569%20x910> > > > > Auckland 0751, New Zealand > > > > *M * > > > > +64 21 222 3569 <tel:%2B64%2021%20222%203569> > > > > www.flowsoftware.co.nz <http://www.flowsoftware.co.nz> > > > > *E * > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > This message is intended for the addressee named above. It may contain > privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended > recipient of this message you must not use, copy, distribute or disclose > it to anyone. > > PPlease consider the environment before printing this email > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke > *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 July 2013 8:40 a.m. > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List > *Subject:* [DUG] Average Salary > > Hi Everyone, > > I was just wondering, what is the average salary for a permanent Delphi > developer out there in the marketplace these days? > > > Steve Peacocke > Mobile: +64 220 612-611 <tel:%2B64%20220%20612-611> > > Linkedin Professional Profile > <http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/steve-peacocke/1/a06/489> > > > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with Subject: unsubscribe > > > > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: [email protected] > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected] with > Subject: unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: [email protected] Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to [email protected] with Subject: unsubscribe
