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Dag H. Wanvik commented on DERBY-866:
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Thanks for helping us think this through, Francois! As far as 
derby.database.propertiesOnly is concerned, my worry was not that it could be 
switched off after being enabled, but rather if the new scheme could be made to 
work without it being set to true (insecure). Rick suggests that the new scheme 
be independent of this property, I am not sure how we could make that work with 
the present property based way of determining what authentication scheme to 
use.... Rick, any ideas? In the end we may not want to force this (present idea 
being that for deployment, derby.database.propertiesOnly should be set to true, 
but that it can be convenient during development to override it). This is not 
secure by default, of course, so we we may want to disallow the new scheme 
unless derby.database.propertiesOnly is set...
                
> Derby User Management Enhancements
> ----------------------------------
>
>                 Key: DERBY-866
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-866
>             Project: Derby
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Services
>    Affects Versions: 10.2.1.6
>            Reporter: Francois Orsini
>         Attachments: Derby_User_Enhancement.html, 
> Derby_User_Enhancement_v1.1.html
>
>
> Proposal to enhance Derby's Built-In DDL User Management. (See proposal spec 
> attached to the JIRA).
> Abstract:
> This feature aims at improving the way BUILT-IN users are managed in Derby by 
> providing a more intuitive and familiar DDL interface. Currently (in 
> 10.1.2.1), Built-In users can be defined at the system and/or database level. 
> Users created at the system level can be defined via JVM or/and Derby system 
> properties in the derby.properties file. Built-in users created at the 
> database level are defined via a call to a Derby system procedure 
> (SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_SET_DATABASE_PROPERTY) which sets a database property.
> Defining a user at the system level is very convenient and practical during 
> the development phase (EOD) of an application - However, the user's password 
> is not encrypted and consequently appears in clear in the derby.properties 
> file. Hence, for an application going into production, whether it is embedded 
> or not, it is preferable to create users at the database level where the 
> password is encrypted.
> There is no real ANSI SQL standard for managing users in SQL but by providing 
> a more intuitive and known interface, it will ease Built-In User management 
> at the database level as well as Derby's adoption.

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